I originally did this as a guest post for Steve Hynd, so apologies if you saw it there already. I just like having all my ramblings in one place, as far as possible.
Some on the English left, including Owen Jones, think a yes vote in the independence referendum would be bad news for the rest of the UK. The typical reasons include the fear of a perpetual Tory-led administration at Westminster, and a general view that nationalism is a distasteful ideology with which the left should have no truck, working class solidarity (“a working class resident of Dundee has more in common with a working class resident of Doncaster than with his middle class neighbours”).
Not only are they wrong, but Scottish independence could actually be a radical blow to the forces of conservatism across the UK.
But first, the fears, starting with the presumption of perpetual Tory rule in Westminster. Since 1945 the Scottish delegation have only changed the outcome of a general election three times out of eighteen. The numbers are here.
In two instances, Harold Wilson would twice have had a hung parliament rather than a weak Labour majority of three or four – both in 1964 and October 1974. I like hung Parliaments and minority administrations, personally, because they require cooperation and give rare moments of power to neglected minorities.
And in 2010, the Tories would have got an absolute majority of 19 without the Lib Dems to do exactly what they like, rather than a majority with the Lib Dems to do almost exactly what they like. And the rest of the UK wouldn’t have learnt what Scots learnt when the Lib Dems were in government here from 1999-2007: that they can’t be trusted. So that’s unfortunate. But rare.
And it’s fair to say that the MPs we’ve sent to London haven’t always been first-class – and the standard continues to fall as ambitious politically-minded Scots increasingly prefer to contest Holyrood seats. Of those that remain, to quote myself, “You won’t miss them. We won’t miss them either.”
As for the distaste for nationalism, the thing people like Owen either forget or ignore is that many Scots supporters of independence aren’t nationalists. They’re Greens, Socialists, radicals, localists, and anyone else who either feels Westminster can’t or won’t be reformed any time soon. Even many in the SNP fall into this category, even if some of the “non-nationalists for independence” in their ranks gloss that as “civic nationalism”. Plus, there are nationalists on the other side as well as pragmatists – anyone who argues for a continued Union based on myths and history of Britishness falls into the former category.
What’s more, although the SNP combine a centre-right economic position with a soft liberal social policy, they’re really nothing like the kind of right-wing nationalists you see elsewhere in Europe, even if some of their fringe supporters are rather grim. Sure, the SNP are as weak on climate change as Labour or the Lib Dems, but that is hardly enough to justify attempts to demonise them by people who know little about them.
From the left arguments against independence, that leaves working class solidarity. I’ve personally never understood why that same argument doesn’t apply to the working class in Ireland, France, or Peru, but let’s leave the idea of creating a Union with them all. Also, let’s forget that plenty of solidarity and cooperation already involves working across national borders – especially between neighbouring EU members.
Instead, turn it on its head. What could independence deliver for the left, for the working class, for environmentalists, feminists, socialists, peace activists and the rest?
For one thing, Scotland could be a good example of practical alternatives to the immigrant-stigmatising, poor-hating, soggy Westminster consensus. We already are on many issues. We got control over the health service well before the worst of the moves towards privatisation in England in particular. If the English left want to point to a successful model to adopt for their health service, we’ll almost certainly be keeping the flame of the NHS’s founding principles alight. While England and Wales saw tuition fees trebled, Scotland saw them abolished (edit: apparently I’m wrong about Wales). We’ve shown how PR can work both for a national parliament and at a local council level. Across all the issues I care about, independence would let us go much further. Attitudes here are, across the parties, are much more positive about immigration and asylum, and any divergence there would be a pretty good test case for what it would be like if England rejected the “immigration is a problem” myth.
A particularly clear example is Trident. If Scotland achieves independence, it seems likely that the clock will start ticking for the closure of Faslane. That will force the rest of the UK either to spend vast and unpopular sums rehoming this Cold War technology, or to consider how to accept a scaling-back of its nuclear ambitions. At worst, that looks like a massive campaign opportunity for the anti-war left outside Scotland.
And finally, the real purpose of independence for me: a vote against Westminster governance. It’s not just the Scottish left that regards Westminster as using a barely democratic electoral system, hobbled by inherited office-holders, in hock to corporate vested interests, opaque, and alienating. Ask yourself: if you had a vote next September to get Westminster out of your life forever and to replace it with a more open and fairly elected parliament, wouldn’t you take it? And wouldn’t you be just a little bit narked when people who don’t have a vote urge you to vote for Westminster?
#1 by Lionel on September 4, 2013 - 6:06 pm
Tuition fees in Wales are only partially payable by students. The Labour government pay the bulk
#2 by James on September 4, 2013 - 6:58 pm
I stand corrected! Have made a note to that effect now.
#3 by Welshguy on September 5, 2013 - 8:17 am
The Welsh Labour tuition fee policy is a joke. Universities are given 2/3 of students’ fees, regardless of whether they study in Wales or not – thus Wales is paying £50m a year to subsidise its own brain drain.
#4 by Juteman on September 5, 2013 - 6:56 pm
“ambitious politically-minded Scots increasingly prefer to contest Holyrood seats”
Are you seriously including Unionist politicians in this statement?
#5 by James on September 5, 2013 - 7:00 pm
Less obviously so, but certainly for Tories. I also think the Labour trend of heading south (Curran/Jamieson) is temporary.
#6 by Juteman on September 5, 2013 - 7:23 pm
I would think any ambitious Scots Tories would be joining the Labour party, if they had any hope of getting elected.
#7 by James on September 5, 2013 - 7:27 pm
See also Fergus Ewing and some other ideological soulmates of his.
#8 by Dave Coull on September 5, 2013 - 9:20 pm
Let’s be clear about what any so-called left-winger who advocates a NO vote in the referendum would be saying to the people of Scotland:
(1) Vote for politicians at Westminster being able to dismember your NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE !
(2) Vote for the HOUSE OF LORDS continuing to lord it over you !
(3) Vote for TRIDENT NUCLEAR MISSILES !
(4) Vote for Westminster governments being able to get you involved in WARS in Asia, Africa, and South America !
#9 by Juteman on September 6, 2013 - 6:28 am
I couldn’t see Ewing joining the Labour/Tory party. He seems happy to be in a party that is anti Trident and anti tuition fees, to name a couple of policies.
#10 by James on September 6, 2013 - 7:34 am
Sure, and he’s also happy in a party where he’s a Minister. But he’s socially conservative and economically very right-wing in a party that’s mostly socially liberal and economically moderately right-wing. Post-referendum, either way, I struggle to see him being in the same party as people I feel closer to politically, like Sandra White, Linda Fabiani, Jamie Hepburn etc.
#11 by Juteman on September 6, 2013 - 9:37 am
I agree with you there. There is bound to be big political changes after a Yes vote, as folk realign themselves.
#12 by Chris on September 6, 2013 - 12:59 pm
…(1) Vote for politicians at Westminster being able to dismember your NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE !…
Scaremonger!
#13 by Chris on September 6, 2013 - 1:08 pm
I would like to see an end to the Bedroom Tax in Scotland, England and Wales.
I would like to see Trident abolished, not simply removed to Barrow or Portsmouth
I am grateful that without Scottish MPs’ votes we would be bombing Syria now.
And you may not have noticed that a majority of Scottish MPs voted for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. You might want to wish that fact away but it is absolutely true.
You are right that no mainstream party in the UK is offering a more left-wing alternative. Unfortunately no mainstream party in Scotland is either. Despite all the complaints about Tory cuts the SNP is as complicit as Labour in not promising to increase borrowing or put up taxes to reverse them. Instead we’ll seemingly reverse tory cuts by undercutting the UK on corporation tax.
Do you think the left in the UK should welcome a race to the bottom on corporation tax?
#14 by Dave Coull on September 7, 2013 - 3:07 am
Have you been to Barrow? I have. I travelled up from Devon to protest against the Trident subs when they were first building them there. And that’s ALL they could do there. The inlet is very narrow and quite shallow so they had to wait for an exceptionally high tide to be able to float the damn things and get them out of there. The truth is that the ONLY inlets with deep enough water to house these monstrosities which have a nasty tendency to get stuck on sandbanks are in either Scotland or Northern Ireland or Wales. There are none suitable in England at all. Northern Ireland? I don’t think even the Tories are mad enough for that. Milford Haven in Wales? It is crowded, it has an oil terminal, it has oil tankers, it would be an accident waiting to happen, and by the way neither CND nor Plaid Cymru would wait, there would be vociferous opposition. The reality is that remo#ving Trident from Scotland would, in practice, mean remvoing Trident altogether. There is no alternative.
#15 by Dave Coull on September 7, 2013 - 3:12 am
Turning our backs on Westminster would in practice mean turning our backs on the whole British Empire legacy. No political party with delusions of strutting the world stage could ever get elected in an independent Scotland. The only reason it was possible for MPs with imperialist delusions to get elected in the past was because they were standing for the imperial parliament.
#16 by Dave Coull on September 7, 2013 - 3:16 am
Independence is merely the first step. That’s just when the transformation BEGINS. But it’s an essential first step. So, what does independence for Scotland offer the working class in England, Wales, and Northern Ireland? An example. An example of a neighbouring country managing perfectly well without the HOUSE OF LORDS. An example of a country managing without the corrupt Westminster system. An example of a country which has ditched nuclear weapons and imperialist delusions.
#17 by Dave Coull on September 7, 2013 - 3:18 am
The stuff about corporation tax etc relates to the SNP. I’m neither a member nor a supporter of the SNP and I don’t think they will be in a position to put such policies into practice in an independent Scotland.