I normally object to political hacks objecting to media bias. With the newspapers in particular, it always sounds like sailors complaining about the wind. But the BBC is a slightly special case. And Question Time is the most special case of all outside general election campaigns, because of its profile and because the balance is so easy to achieve. They don’t need every party on every panel, but over the piece the panellists they choose need to reflect the views of the public as reflected by their elected representatives.
And that varies across the UK. Tonight’s Scottish episode is significant in two ways. It’s a week before a Holyrood by-election, and the audience will be entirely 16- and 17-year-olds, to reflect the fact that young people are being enfranchised for the first time in the independence referendum.
Five parties are represented at Holyrood, and all five are standing in Aberdeen Donside, but there’s no Green on the panel. Instead we will have to tolerate both Nigel Farage and George Galloway again. Neither of them represent Scottish constituencies, and neither UKIP nor Respect have any elected representatives in Scotland. Both oppose Scottish independence, too. So, rather than a three-to-two balance in favour of the status quo, which would have been the politicians’ split if BBCQT even noticed actual Holyrood election results when considering balance, we’ll see a four-to-one split against, with just Angus Robertson the only politician speaking up for Scottish self-determination.
The Lib Dems are also being excluded, which is a mistake too. Willie Rennie or another from his group – I’d like to see Liam McArthur get a crack, for instance – have a right to be there tonight just as much as Patrick Harvie or Alison Johnstone do. A panel of six, like they have planned already, would allow them all five actual Scottish parliamentary parties plus the only ray of light in this whole fiasco: the indomitable Lesley Riddoch. She’ll be brilliant and she’ll be feisty, and she’ll help make up for the problems with the panel. But that doesn’t make this good enough.
BBCQT come to Scotland about three times a year, incidentally, and over the fourteen years since the first Holyrood election they’ve only once had a Scottish Green on: Patrick’s slot in 2011, even though Holyrood has always had Green MSPs. Do they really think Nigel Farage or George Galloway are more relevant in Scotland than the Greens? It’s perhaps time for the producers to admit they don’t give a stuff about fairness and balance on Question Time. They just want a rammy, so perhaps we should be grateful they didn’t put Nick Griffin and Melanie Phillips on.
To exclude two sane voices in the independence debate (one from each side) in favour of two wild and unrepresentative demagogues, both on the same side on this issue: that’s bizarre. To exclude two of the Holyrood parties who are contesting next week’s by-election: that’s totally unacceptable. Let the official complaints begin. Update: you can complain here.
#1 by naebd on June 13, 2013 - 11:50 am
Farage’s presence is pure pantomime fuel. Then again, it’ll probably make for entertaining television, and since the episode is in Scotland, the downtrodden masses of England do need representation. I never watch the show anyway, too damaging to the health.
#2 by Indy on June 13, 2013 - 11:51 am
All valid points but you know Question Time don’t care about a) balance and b) Scotland. It’s a UK-wide programme with a UK-wide agenda of getting as many viewers as possible – and a sensible balanced debate around Scottish independence doesn’t tick either of those boxes. Increasingly actually it is a political freakshow. We may be reaching the point where mainstream politicians should perhaps be considering simply saying no when asked to appear.
#3 by Loudribs on June 13, 2013 - 11:52 am
Cheers for the pic credit… A rare thing indeed these days!
#4 by James on June 13, 2013 - 11:54 am
Ha! My pleasure – it’s the right thing to do. Also, it was staggeringly appropriate for tonight’s fiasco. I promise it wasn’t just because you were nice about Patrick Harvie (I helped prep him for his one and only appearance that night).
#5 by Loudribs on June 13, 2013 - 12:09 pm
My word, that was quite a while back! I must admit that putting Farage on this week is a bit of stretch (predicated entirely on the hopes that there’ll be a repeat of his last visit to Edinburgh, as is the tenuous and similar logic behind Galloway). Still, quite looking forward to a yoof crowd… It’s like Bread and Circus: Jr Edition.
#6 by James on June 13, 2013 - 12:11 pm
Aye, 14 years with Greens at Holyrood (including four glorious years where we had 7 MSPs and four more where we held the balance of power) and just that one outing. It’s like they really don’t like calm and reasonable.
#7 by Loudribs on June 13, 2013 - 12:21 pm
No they don’t – which is fine by me because Questionable Time would be bloody hard to write otherwise! Still, it’s a valid beef you have there.
#8 by A Haddow on June 13, 2013 - 11:55 am
While I fully agree with the thrust of your argument, why do you suggest a three-to-two balance in favour of the status quo when SNP have an overall majority at Holyrood and the share of vote was 50%+ for independence supporting parties/candidates?
#9 by James on June 13, 2013 - 11:59 am
Well, I do take your point, but I think “being at Holyrood” should be the test, really. What would you prefer? Almost thirteen times as many SNP MSPs got elected as Lib Dems last time, and we can’t have a panel with 13 SNP folk on it (and 7 Labour ones too) every time Willie Rennie appears.
#10 by A Haddow on June 13, 2013 - 12:47 pm
I’d be happy with equal representation of yes & no.
#11 by Keir Hardly on June 13, 2013 - 11:55 am
Rennie? Sane? Willie “14,000 treaties to negotiate after independence” Rennie? Yeah, right.
Harvie should be on, but Rennie would be a total waste of space, just parroting the Labour and Tory lines word for word. At least Farage and Galloway will be entertaining.
#12 by James on June 13, 2013 - 12:01 pm
I’m not saying I agree with him. But then I don’t agree with Angus Robertson that Scotland would even count as properly independent if we kept the Queen, the pound, NATO, etc etc. I’m saying the Lib Dems are a legitimate Holyrood party, unlike UKIP or Respect.
#13 by A Haddow on June 13, 2013 - 12:49 pm
Of course Scotland would be properly independent if we keep the Queen, the pound, NATO, etc, etc, as we will have the power to change these arrangements as we wish.
#14 by James on June 13, 2013 - 12:51 pm
So why not keep the House of Lords, Trident, the British army, the UK Supreme Court, the Food Standards Agency, in fact absolutely everything from the UK so long as we can change them. This is the time to change them. We should be being asked to change them. But then again, I am a separatist.
#15 by A Haddow on June 13, 2013 - 1:44 pm
I disagree. Now is the time to take the power to change them. These are policy matters and the referendum is not about policies.
The only thing you originally mention which would actually be shared is the pound. For what it’s worth, I would prefer a pegged pound over a currency union, leading to either our own currency or the Euro in the longer term. I view the monarchy as being separately Scottish, and we would have our own independent membership of NATO (personally I’d ditch both).
I do think it makes perfect sense to share certain things in the transition period if it’s truly in our interests so to do.
#16 by John Hannah on June 13, 2013 - 11:57 am
Good points. One issue why do you object to political commentators complaining about main stream media bias when you are pointing out same?
MSM bias is a significant issue.
#17 by James on June 13, 2013 - 12:12 pm
As a supporter of independence I object to campaigners on our side doing so. It doesn’t persuade anyone out there in general-public-land, and just sounds weird and a bit eccentric. Also, with the newspapers it just alienates journalists who might be a bit indy-sceptical but who also might give us a fair crack.
#18 by Despairing on June 13, 2013 - 12:05 pm
I have to admit to giving up on Question Time last year. I don’t think I’ve watched an episode since last summer. It is, as you say, increasingly demanding the confrontational over the objective debate. I think the producers got high on the opposition to the Iraq war and the way Labour ministers were harangued constantly by the audience, and are trying to recreate it with every show.
#19 by James on June 13, 2013 - 12:12 pm
This post edited to remove some anti-Lib Dem snark. There’s no point hoping they’ll circulate it on Twitter too and doing that. Silly me. Normal service will resume shortly.
#20 by auslander on June 13, 2013 - 12:21 pm
How does one make an official complaint in regard to this? Farage & Galloway will drive the conversation down to the level of the average episode of Jeremy Kyle.
#21 by James on June 13, 2013 - 12:22 pm
You can complain online here.
#22 by John Hannah on June 13, 2013 - 12:39 pm
#13 by James on June 13, 2013 – 12:12 pm
Sorry but calling a complaint about mis-information weird and eccentric doesn’t really help. It is a genuine concern.
I disagree with your statement “It doesn’t persuade anyone out there in general-public-land”
I know undecided people (work colleagues) and no voters (friends) changing to a Yes when I’ve highlighted mis-information and in some cases lies/ignorance.
#23 by James on June 13, 2013 - 12:46 pm
I’m not saying it’s not a real concern: clearly the newspapers are on balance against independence, and that affects public opinion. I’m just saying in my experience complaints about it come across very badly – especially the kind of aggressive paranoia some supposedly pro-indy blogs specialise in. But I believe you that you’ve persuaded people, of course. That’s your experience.
#24 by John Hannah on June 13, 2013 - 12:59 pm
#22 by James on June 13, 2013 – 12:46 pm
Yes there may be some ‘aggressive paranoia’, however a level headed and educational approach does work. More of the same will counteract. 🙂
#25 by Shave on June 13, 2013 - 1:05 pm
Obvious trolling is obvious, and I shall not be watching.
#26 by James on June 13, 2013 - 1:09 pm
I admire Lesley too much not to want to see it. But I might not watch live.
#27 by Paul Martin on June 13, 2013 - 1:29 pm
Bullseye James. This straw breaks the camels back.
#28 by Shave on June 13, 2013 - 1:30 pm
…though best of luck to the audience, especially those from Broughton High School.
#29 by Jim Bennett on June 13, 2013 - 1:45 pm
I complained to the BBC using the link you so kindly provided above!
#30 by Juteman on June 13, 2013 - 1:54 pm
I won’t be watching. I like my TV.
#31 by Nick on June 13, 2013 - 2:14 pm
Adam Lyal’s Witchery Tour Party got more votes than UKIP in the Lothian region (where tonights edition is being held) last time both parties stood (2007).
True story.
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothians_(Scottish_Parliament_electoral_region) ]
#32 by Peter A Bell on June 13, 2013 - 2:14 pm
While the point about the exclusion of the Greens and (I suppose) the LibDems is well made, it strikes me that there is a much more glaring and inexplicable anomaly. Given that the justification for having a audience of 16 and 17-year-olds is their enfranchisement for next year’s independence referendum, why are Yes Scotland and (I suppose) Better Together not represented on the panel?
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#33 by Tom Cresswell on June 13, 2013 - 5:43 pm
One other point to make from this, one thing that always bugs me about the independence campaign is that one of the most frequent complaints made about the Yes campaign is as follows:
“The Yes camp is made up of Greens who want eco-taxes etc., the SNP who want to reap the returns from the oil industry and pro-business low taxes, and Trade Unionists/SSP who want a radical Socialist vision for an independent Scotland… They can’t agree on a single vision for a post-referendum Scotland, you don’t know what you’re going to get(!)” – something along these lines.
On the Question Time panel today we’ll have UKIP, RESPECT, Labour and Conservatives (not including the Lib Dems, with their Federal Britain) all with radically different ideas of what they want for the UK post independence… But when the Better Together campaign hold events their radically different ideologies, the Yes campaign don’t make the same criticism back.
It’s just one of the minor things about this campaign that bugs. As for the show tonight, I hope someone brings it up on the show tonight. Sure, as much as I despise George Galloway, it is possible to defend his appearance on QT in Scotland as a former Glasgow MP etc., but to include Nigel Farage for the 5th time this year (purely guessing) at the expense of a party that has beaten them in every Scottish election since 1997 is indefensible. Especially as he’s going to use the show to voice his claim that Scottish Nationalism is racist and anti-English in order to gain sympathy from viewers down south.
#34 by Alan Eeles on June 13, 2013 - 8:07 pm
The BBC Should present a democrat unbiassed program if its not than the BBC is just a Westminster Government tool We are awae that we do not live in a democracy and this confirms that we are now loosing our freeedom of speech.
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