Today’s Scotland on Sunday leads with “splits” in the Yes camp, revealing (shock!) that the SNP have different positions on the monarchy, the currency, NATO and so on to those held by Green and independent MSPs. Their editorial urges the SNP to ignore these fringe radicals, and what’s more, warns the radicals directly that they should shut up to avoid undermining the independence cause amongst “average” voters. Imagine making that kind argument about any other part of the political spectrum, that they should stop representing the agenda they got elected on because someone else decides it’s against their interests.
They start with a misunderstanding, perhaps genuine, perhaps deliberate. Patrick Harvie, Jean Urquhart and Margo Macdonald aren’t trying to change SNP policy: it’s been decades since a drop of non-constitutional radicalism flowed in Salmond’s veins. They’re trying to emphasise that independence would put the power in the hands of Scots, not the SNP.
The same edition of SoS features some deft polling carried out for the No camp. Punters were asked what will most influence their vote: the economy, tax & spend, pensions & welfare, health, currency, oil revenues, EU membership, defence, or education. It’s basically a few unavoidable “core” issues larded with areas where the No campaign feel they’ve hit Salmond hardest of late, but with the crucial issue not offered: whether Westminster or Holyrood makes the decisions that matter to Scots. That’s what independence means, it’s the most attractive aspect of what a yes vote would deliver, so perhaps no wonder the No campaign didn’t offer it as an option.
Next, people were asked how convincing they find Salmond’s case for independence, and only 30% say “very” or “fairly”. It’s clever, because it sets two hurdles – not “do you back Salmond?” nor “are you convinced by the case for independence?”, but both. If I’d been asked that, I’d say “not very”, but I’m also definitely voting yes. Cunningly misleading polling, in short.
The paper also notes that a quarter of SNP voters aren’t convinced by “Salmond’s case for independence”, and implies this is evidence against the radicals. But the dogs in the street know the SNP picked up support from committed No voters in 2011. These folk are primarily anti-Labour voters, they like the SNP’s top team as Ministers, they appreciate the party’s centre-right approach to tax and spend, and they’d undoubtedly support the Tories down south. Even if SNP invited every last one of them for a one-to-one with the First Minister between now and the referendum date, the benefit for the Yes campaign would be negligible.
The SNP’s 2011 triumph was based on 44-45% of the vote, and that quarter Unionist/SNP estimate is consistent with the current polling on the referendum itself, as well as with that 30% figure above. The SNP’s specific case persuades about a third of the public, which is a great start. Specifically, it’s two thirds of what’s required for a majority, and these are not swing voters. They’re core SNP supporters – actual nationalists, unlike me – and they’re in the bag. Just a further sixth of the Scottish people will need to be persuaded if the referendum is to pass, or (to risk mathematical confusion) just one in four current No voters need to be won over.
Whichever way you slice it, that feels like an entirely deliverable aim. But those extra voters needed for victory are definitely not amongst the group which voted SNP in 2011. There’s probably 6-7% or so amongst Green voters, the SSP’s remaining voters, and the disappointed ex-SSP voters who’ve not voted at all since 2003. There’s perhaps 1-2% to be found amongst the remaining Lib Dem voters. The occasional pro-indy Tory types are vocal but can probably be counted in the low hundreds at best. The rest, the bulk of the 17% or so required, will have to come either from Labour supporters or from those who don’t tend to vote at all. And it’ll be the Labour voters most disillusioned with Westminster, too, not the Blairites and the soft centre. The traditional working-class Labour voters for whom New Labour achieved nothing much after the minimum wage.
Broadly, therefore, the winning coalition for the Yes campaign can only be the third of Scots who are committed nationalists plus the left-most sixth of the Scots public. I see no other way to win this. And that means letting a thousand flowers bloom about the post-independence possibilities. It means letting Scots hear that Patrick Harvie has an ambitious and radical plan for what an independent Scotland looks like, just as Alex Salmond has a far more cautious plan. It absolutely means making the most of Dennis Canavan and Mary Lockhart. Above all it means explaining that all these decisions – currency, NATO, the monarchy, tax rates, nuclear weapons etc – will be decided by Scots at the first election after a yes vote, and everything will be democratically on the table. Every time the SNP try to promote their own party policy as Yes Scotland policy, or more generally as a fait accompli if we win independence, they turn off that sixth of Scots who are essential to victory.
This is directly counter to the SoS’s unhelpful advice. This, it should be borne in mind, comes from the paper which egged the SNP on to change its policy on NATO, something which won the party nothing but led to the departure from the SNP of two of those independent MSPs. And the same paper, in the same editorial today, explains that it’s formally against independence, preferring some unspecified version of devo-whatever.
So they’re explicitly trying to achieve a different objective, they’ve misunderstood the current situation, and their solution would be both undemocratic and counterproductive. The SNP would be ill-advised to take any more advice on referendum tactics from the paper tigers of Holyrood Road.
#1 by Aidan on April 28, 2013 - 5:14 pm
“The traditional working-class Labour voters for whom New Labour achieved nothing much after the minimum wage.”
Nothing much except tax credits. And devolution. And the future jobs fund. Record satisfaction with the NHS. And roads. The aqueduct… :p
More to the point:
“And that means letting a thousand flowers bloom about the post-independence possibilities”
I think the electoral calculus about winning from the left works well in a Central-Scotland context but I’d worry about the effect it would have on the right wing, committed nationalists and the marginal “may as well go for it” waverers – there would inevitably be a leaking of some of the less sure Yes voters as the degree and length of instability a Yes vote on this premise would entail became clear.
It’s probably the only shot Yes have, but it’s risky and leaves the SNP leadership open to the charge they fluffed it after 2014. A solid 40% Yes that fails to achieve independence after a don’t-scare-the-horses campaign probably suits them a lot better than that high risk strategy getting Yes to 45% but still short.
#2 by James on April 28, 2013 - 5:25 pm
Aidan, I’m not suggesting the SNP should change policy – or I’d be making the same mistake as the SoS are urging them to make – just that the only way to victory is to emphasise it’ll be up to the Scots to choose, and that there are more options on the table. Oh, and don’t start me on the damned roads..
#3 by Aidan on April 28, 2013 - 6:34 pm
I don’t really see how to reconcile the gradualist vs Maoist approaches – either everything will be largely as it is now and don’t worry about it or it’s a radical day 0 where everything’s up for grabs and there’s another half decade of upheaval after 2014.
The latter route probably does stand a better chance of success but it’s not without a cost of the Middle Scotland types in, say, Aberdeenshire who form a reasonably large proportion of current Yes voters. It’s true that support for independence is already highest amongst C2 and DE voters (e.g. Lalland’s analysis of a recent poll) but the strategy you’re suggesting is likely to lead to a (small?) drop in ABC1 support meaning you’d have to create a huge margin in C2DE voters and turn them out on that strategy.
It probably would maximise the potential Yes vote but probably not 50%+1 and I suspect the idea of glorious, romantic defeat appeals less to those with post-2014 plans than the grey, managerial campaign currently being run even if that leads to a heaver defeat.
Politics, funny old business really.. .
#4 by Pat Kane on April 28, 2013 - 5:21 pm
Nicely done, James. I would also add that the “left-most sixth” also includes most artists and creatives, who might be increasingly minded to put their symbolic muscle behind a capacious YesScot bandwagon. Karine Polwart’s essay in the afore-pilloried SoS is the best expression of that (http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/opinion/comment/karine-polwart-imagination-vital-to-telling-the-yes-story-1-2795982, with better headline) – a language of positivity, hope, diversity and progress that might suck up more votes from across the spectrum. At the moment – in which many of us are toiling somewhat – you very usefully identify the indy tribes. Many thanks.
#5 by Aidan on April 28, 2013 - 5:29 pm
Most artists and creatives? [citation needed]
#6 by Pat Kane on April 28, 2013 - 5:34 pm
Subjective. But I’m talking to a LOT of them at the moment.
#7 by Doug Daniel on April 28, 2013 - 5:49 pm
Here’s a Starter For 10 (well, 50): http://nationalcollective.com/2012/08/30/50-artists-creatives-who-support-scottish-independence/
#8 by Aidan on April 28, 2013 - 6:40 pm
Well, no, it’s not subjective – it’s maths. Just wondering if you’d seen any actual pollin about artists actual political inclinations as arts being “lefty” is often something people assume but I suspect may be because folk like Billy Bragg talk about their politics a lot but ones like Tracy Emin or Gary Numan less so.
#9 by Pat Kane on April 28, 2013 - 6:46 pm
At the Creative Scotland Open Sessions event I hosted in Glasgow recently, Angus Farquhar asked a series of political questions of the assembled audience which demonstrated an extraordinary lefty consensus. Nothing on independence explicitly, but in terms of issues like Trident, Iraq, defence of welfare state, not difficult to imagine them being drawn into articulating the demands of the “sixth” James talks about.
#10 by Aidan on April 29, 2013 - 1:04 pm
True but then you’d probably get the same at any non-aligned political gathering in Glasgow..
#11 by Indy on April 28, 2013 - 5:49 pm
The SNP strategy does make sense. They have taken as many wicked issues out of the equation as they can – monarchy,currency, NATO etc. Having Better Together focus on these things now is good because in 18 months time they will be dead issues.
For some undecideds these things will matter. There are some horses we don’t want to scare. Of course, the SNP’s mainstream strategy does not reflect the left/green side of the independence camp – but it’s really not going to make more radical folk vote No and say actually I’d prefer to run the risk of more Tory policies because the vision of independence on offer here is not EXACTLY what I want – I except Aidan from this because that does appear to be his position.
But the good thing about the way this is going is that there is a real non-SNP energy about the Yes campaign. It’s a genuinely broad church which is quite exciting. There are radical voices and it is healthy the way everything is being shaken up and around.
I agree that Labour voters and non-voters who identify with old Labour values are crucial -as of course are women. Still a long long way to go but I am far from unhappy at the way things are shaping up. There are some real stars emerging – Jeanne Freeman for instance. She is very impressive and I hope we see a lot more of her.
#12 by Pat Kane on April 28, 2013 - 6:51 pm
That “non-SNP energy” is crucial to the Yes campaign. Look to the youth in National Collective and RIC to see the surprising forms and expressions that left-pluralism will take. I also do really think we need to stop moaning about the media, and become the media. More podcasts, webcasts, Kindle-shorts, memes/virals, etc.
#13 by Allan on April 28, 2013 - 11:50 pm
“The SNP strategy does make sense.”
What strategy? They have been on the back foot with the issues surrounding the proposed currency situation. They made a complete mess of their proposed relationship with the EU (and probably turned a few possible “yes” voters off. As for the NATO issue… twisting in the wind is probably the best description. The SNP/Yes Scotland have constantly been on the defensive thanks to some very bad tactical decisions, both in presentation and in policy.
#14 by Indy on April 29, 2013 - 8:52 am
Do you think so? Imagine for one second what the situation would be if the SNP was not proposing to keep the pound. Imagine the level of scaremongering that would be going on. Part of the political process is understanding what you control and what you don’t control. The SNP doesn’t control the media, nor does it control opposition parties. They would make hay whatever the currency position was – but they can make the least amount of hay with the position the SNP has taken.
#15 by James on April 29, 2013 - 9:04 am
No, we’ve already seen how flawed that is. If the SNP position (nuance alert) was simply to use the pound like Montenegro uses the Euro, UK Ministers couldn’t stop us. But then we’d have no say in the management of the currency we would be using. Which is why the SNP said they wanted a currency union with Scottish representation on it – but the problem with that is that the UK can simply say “No”, which is what any London government would say, and which totally scuppers their plan. If they’re too afraid to say they’d want us to move in the medium term to our own currency, even a pegged currency (as per Ireland) would have been a more defensible position than the current shambles.
#16 by Indy on April 29, 2013 - 7:42 pm
There’s basically no option that the No campaign could not scaremonger on. Do you imagine we would ever even get the space to explain our own currency? We wouldn’t. This is the least worst option.
#17 by James on April 29, 2013 - 10:55 pm
See my response to Allan – start with a peg, say we’d look to move towards our own currency as and when it’s economically appropriate.
#18 by Natalie on May 2, 2013 - 4:16 pm
There is an element of this, and I favour short-mid term use of sterling, but I do agree we don’t have to entirely rule out our own currency.
I don’t think too much capital can be made out of keeping the option open but being absolutely clear that all decisions will be in best interests of our economy at the time any future decision is made.
The No campaign throw mud anyway, so what difference does it really make to inject a degree of honesty that some if us agree with Professor Kay et Al?
#19 by Allan on April 29, 2013 - 10:48 pm
Ah, but the issue is not the promise to “keep the pound” in itself, the issue is more the bad idea of “currency union” with r-UK. The least worst option (and IMO, the most sensible option) would be for us to adopt the “Scottish” pound as our currency (as we do now) and it to be tacked to the Pound Sterling (as it is now). Yes, we would have little management of our currency (we would have less levers to use if we joined the Euro), but as a tempory measure, it buy’s Scotland time.
Dominic Lawson in the Independent last week identified the SNP’s policy here as their achillies heel, chastising them for not being radical enough on this policy. Personally, i think that the curse of Europe has struck again, but Lawson does raise a valid point in this respect.
#20 by James on April 29, 2013 - 10:54 pm
A pegged pound is a better starting place than going cap in hand to Osborne and asking him to create a new form of sterling-area governance.
#21 by Dave Boyle on April 28, 2013 - 5:49 pm
Excellent analysis James – you should work in politics etc.
Anyway, been meaning to ask – what’s been the fallout of Mary Lockhart’s intervention? I was flabbergasted and very pleasantly surprised, but can imagine that her tribes of labour and the Co-op party are spitting feathers?
#22 by James on April 28, 2013 - 6:31 pm
Thanks Dave. Same paper today reported that the Co-op Party has resigned her. Can’t say I’m surprised.
#23 by Colin Dunn on April 28, 2013 - 6:56 pm
“Every time the SNP try to promote their own party policy as Yes Scotland policy, or more generally as a fait accompli if we win independence, they turn off that sixth of Scots who are essential to victory.”
To their credit, the SNP realise this and accept it, I’m sure. And I say that as neither SNP member nor supporter.
An excellent and clear article. Thanks James.
#24 by Doug Daniel on April 28, 2013 - 7:00 pm
Considering their increasingly precarious state, I think the Scotsman are the last people who should be doling out advice on how to be successful.
“The occasional pro-indy Tory types are vocal but can probably be counted in the low hundreds at best.”
Well, that’s what we’re all led to believe. However, I’ve heard from a guy who knows a pro-independence member of the Tory party who insists that there are far more pro-indy Tories than we think – they reckon independence is the only way to save their party, but refuse to actually come out publicly as independence supporters. Considering how close Murdo came to winning the Scottish Tory leadership, I don’t see that as being particularly far-fetched.
What’s even more interesting is that the Tory member in question also insists that there are quite well known Tory politicians who are pro-indy, but for obvious reasons are even less likely to come out of the indy closet. Could all be rubbish of course, but interesting to try and work out who they could be…
Anyway, I would expect the SNP to ignore the SoS’s “advice”, and I hope they do. There are two things at play here – there’s the vision for what Scotland can do with the powers of a normal independent country; but there’s also the short-term issue of seeing us through to the actual day of independence. The Greens, SSP and various pro-independence organisations are giving us their ideas for what we can do once we have the powers to make our own decisions. But we won’t have those powers the day after the referendum, so the SNP, as the party of government, have to tell us how things will be between the referendum and Independence Day. As a result, I don’t think there’s much wrong with the idea of leaving things as they are as a starting point – after all, they were elected on a manifesto that promised a referendum, not one that promised to get rid of the Queen, dump the pound, and come out of NATO.
I think the only thing the SNP perhaps need to do is put more emphasis on the fact that these things are about defining the starting point, the way Scotland will look on the day we all go to the polls to elect the first government of an independent Scotland. They’ll negotiate a currency union that we could keep as long as we like, but we could ditch that pretty much straight away if we decide to elect a party that promises to give us a new currency instead. Same with the Queen, NATO and even the EU, if we suddenly decide to become a nation of Europhobics on election day.
#25 by Dave Boyle on April 28, 2013 - 7:15 pm
Utterly unsurprising;if they had any chance of turning their fortunes around, she’d still be their chair and they’d demonstrate their tolerance of difference by being utterly cool about the leader having a different view.
Stating how the Labour and Co-op Party’s tolerate dissent in your resignation letter feels a little like the confessions in the gulag which thanked the party for revealing their flawed interpretation of marxism-leninism.
Anyway, where are the non-voters in this and the 14% more who didn’t vote in 2011 but did in 2010?
#26 by Indion on April 28, 2013 - 7:28 pm
James,
Agree with your analysis of SoS motives.
Your synthesis of where enough YES votes are likely to come from seems OK too.
However, ‘enough’ should not be the aim unless it is at least more than 50% of the total electorate rather than turnout on the day.
Aiming low in practice shows a marked lack of confidence which would be prey to falling short of.
Aiming high on principle has no such downside even if turnout is lower than expected.
Independence v union allows the unitarists to polarise the argument projected through the BBC’c projection of and Press predilection for selling the status quo to remain in being.
Sovereign Independence + confederal union is preferentially all-inclusive, isolating only the diehard unitarists and separatists like UKIP and the disfunctional UK state’s ConLabLib symbiosis and their factional, fractured apologists.
Hence I suggest that most successful win-win outcome of the vote and post-vote negotiations should not be based nor articulated on grounds of independence alone, but as the means to secure the best union possible as well.
In short, I advocate and look forward to moving our own recognition, acknowledgement and enactment of our personal and plural sovereignty for our own democracy on to the socially shared ground of our neighbours in our isles so that they might best realise their own in reunion with us too.
#27 by EyeEdinburgh on April 28, 2013 - 7:41 pm
The paper also notes that a quarter of SNP voters aren’t convinced by “Salmond’s case for independence”, and implies this is evidence against the radicals. But the dogs in the street know the SNP picked up support from committed No voters in 2011. These folk are primarily anti-Labour voters, they like the SNP’s top team as Ministers, they appreciate the party’s centre-right approach to tax and spend, and they’d undoubtedly support the Tories down south.
James, sans evidence to the contrary, my guess is most of the people who voted SNP in 2011 while being committed No voters at indyref were voters who: were sick of Labour (and if you think that makes a person right-wing, I laugh hollowly in your general direction): who would rather spit blood than vote Tory: who rejected voting for the LibDems because they’re exactly the same as the Tories now: and who couldn’t vote Green because there wasn’t a constituency candidate. I’m sure quite a lot of SNP voters would just as soon vote Tory if they lived down south, but I doubt if those are the voters who were picked up in 2011.
(Unless you’ve got polling data, in which case, link away.)
#28 by EyeEdinburgh on April 28, 2013 - 7:48 pm
Broadly, therefore, the winning coalition for the Yes campaign can only be the third of Scots who are committed nationalists plus the left-most sixth of the Scots public. I see no other way to win this. And that means letting a thousand flowers bloom about the post-independence possibilities.
No. Not for this undecided Scot, anyway. It means having a solid plan for a second Scottish Consitutional Convention, a timetable for drafting and a plan for strong grassroots involvement without letting the conservative religious pressure groups take over (damned if I’d ever vote yes if it just meant Scotland became prolife like Ireland and women had to travel to England for abortions), and a public committment that the Constitution for Scotland will be at least as committed to equality for all as the Scotland Act was.
I don’t see that happening. I don’t think it like any of the four “major” parties would support it.
#29 by James on April 28, 2013 - 11:46 pm
As you know, I totally agree on the constitutional stuff too. And the 100% secular state..
#30 by Cath Ferguson on April 28, 2013 - 8:00 pm
I think there are 2 reasons why the left is very important.
One is obviously to help win the referendum. The Greens, Radical Independence Convention, Labour for Indy, Trade Unions etc have a huge amount of energy and ideas, and many of their goals can only be won through independence, so it makes sense they should be voting yes. But if people believe it’ll just be more of the same draped in tartan, why would they? So for that reason, their voices in shaping independence are critical, as is everyone else in Scotland – business is pretty vital too.
But the second has been thrown up sharply this week with the currency. Scotland looks weak, imo, if we’re going into independence negotiations with no other options on the table than SNP policy. Patrick Harvey pointed that out at FMQs and he’s right. Westminster can’t stop us using the pound but they can stop an official Sterling Zone, or make unrealistic demands of it. And in doing that, they can create the uncertainty they want. We need to be able make it clear that we have other options, AND that these can command support. Same with issues like Trident. If we have an apathetic population that don’t seem to care, the Scottish government won’t have as much negotiation muscle as they will if there is a strong anti-trident movement.
I’m SNP and broadly support their “don’t scare the horses” approach – I’d happily accept Sterling, keep the queen, even keep Trident if we were being paid rent and it wasn’t just dumped on us, go for NATO etc. But I hope we have a very strong, vocal left as well – and would equally happily shift positions on any of those things to a more radical one. None of them are key issues for me. Scottish pound, Trident out on day one, Partnership for Peace and a Republic would be fine too. I’m a yes either way.
At the moment the NO camp’s only strategy is to bash Salmond and the SNP and make them seem untrustworthy. But as the referendum comes closer, if the vote is looking close and there is a very strong left advocating those more radical positions, what we may see is Westminster forced into a sudden about face, as they look at the SNP and what they’re offering, and look at the alternatives, which will almost certainly be both gathering support by then if NO carry on as they are.
That is, I suspect, why the unionists would like the left to shut up. When they say we can’t keep Sterling (a lie) they want us to quake in fear, not go more radical about it. The very fact they are now talking of “the SNP AND fringe radicals” could be sign of this already. Generally they prefer to portray “the nats” as fringe radicals, despite being a majority government.