Pleasing as it is to see last night’s vote in favour of equal marriage at Westminster, and to know that the Scottish Government’s parallel process will surely bring fruit, the SNP’s Westminster group’s decision not to vote still perplexes me. Kate’s got a fantastic post up about the implications of the Westminster proposals for Scots law, the roll-call of shame, and concerns about the SNP’s reasoning: I agree with all of that, and there’s no point replicating her arguments here.
There are other concerns, though, about the SNP abstention. The UK is, unless and until the referendum is won, a single nation-state. Until that point it’s extremely hard to identify what does not affect Scotland, and the question of whether England and Wales deliver marriage equality certainly does matter to Scots.
People live, work and love across the border largely without thinking about it. If two Coldstream residents want to marry in Berwick-upon-Tweed, should SNP MPs not speak up for their right to do so irrespective of gender? What if one partner is from Gretna and the other from Carlisle? If the vote had been narrowly lost last night, the effect of the SNP group’s decision would have been to tell that couple they could only tie the knot in Gretna, an idea which admittedly has some historic resonance.
So what if English MPs can’t vote on the equivalent Scottish proposals? It’s not the SNP’s fault that we have this halfway house which institutionalises the West Lothian Question. Equality isn’t a dull managerial England-and-Wales-only issue of the sort Scots MPs might well be justified in avoiding. It’s a question entirely of principle. As such, a supportive position from the SNP would have helped to offset the reputational downside for Scotland of hearing Labour’s west coast dinosaurs braying in their swamp of pseudo-religious bigotry.
Getting a vote on affairs in the rest of the UK is one of the few compensations for the Union. Until independence, if you have a vote, it should be used wherever there’s a point of serious principle at stake. Independence offers a trade-off I’ll be glad to take: losing the influence Scots MPs have at Westminster will be more than outweighed by shedding the influence Westminster has on Scotland.
SNP MPs voted against the Coalition’s hike in tuition fees: good. Scots students wishing to get an education in England and Wales would have been righteously angry had they not. But when the Coalition’s assault on the English and Welsh NHS came forward they sat on their hands. When those students get to university, or indeed any other Scot moves down south, do the SNP not wish them to have a decent NHS to rely upon? Is a publicly-run free universal healthcare system a point of principle or not?
Like it or not, SNP votes at Westminster matter. They may sometimes be decisive, but what’s more, when they’re not, they will be read as a statement of the Scottish Government’s intentions and position. Last night was a missed opportunity to be consistent and to support the idea that the principle of equality knows no borders, just as love does not.
#1 by Peter A Bell on February 6, 2013 - 12:43 pm
By long-standing self-imposed convention SNP MPs do not vote on legislation that only affects England/Wales. The legislation in question has precisely zero meaningful impact on Scotland.
In the blog referred to, Kate Higgins talks about “the implications of the Westminster proposals for Scots law”, but doesn’t actually identify any such implications. This is just Kate following her usual practice of toeing any line taken by the mainstream media and/or accepting any criticism of the SNP as being valid in an exercise that she imagines helps establish her “objectivity”.
The convention of abstaining from votes on England/Wales legislation has great political value. It would be folly for the SNP group at Westminster to breach that convention without some very compelling reason. In this instance, no such reason exists.
The matter of tuition fees was not, as some are claiming, a breach of this convention for the rather obvious reason that the legislation had serious implications for Scotland by way of Barnett consequentials, as was very clearly explained at the time.
#2 by Allan on February 6, 2013 - 10:11 pm
Interesting post. Hopefully the SNP’s own dinosaurs don’t make their way across to somehow defend the SNP’s actions. Those open goals are begining to stack up…
#3 by Andrew Anderson on February 6, 2013 - 10:28 pm
I am afraid I do not agree that Scottish MPs (from any party) should vote on matters which are devolved to the Scottish Parliament. If there are significant implications in Scotland there is a case to be made, and the arguments made by @burdzeyeview are compelling, but there is something morally wrong in voting on matters for which you are not elected. It is not the fault of the SNP that the West Lothian question is unresolved.
#4 by Gregor on February 6, 2013 - 11:11 pm
I don’t understand why this is a special case, and as you may know, I’m one of the people who jump up and down about marriage equality more than most.
The SNP MPs do not vote on issues that only affect England and Wales. That’s been their principle for a very long time, and they’ve largely stuck to it – you can pick tuition fees or foundation hospitals, but they had clear and direct links to the bloc grant.
Why is marriage equality a special case? Should SNP MPs have been voting on the Humber Bridge bill? Or the motion about Building Regulations (External Retaining and Load-Bearing Walls), or any of the other votes held yesterday in the Commons?
If you want to argue that the SNP MPs should vote on every issue available to them, that’s fine, but to say that they should just vote on things we like is the worst sort of hypocrisy. I’m delighted by the vote result, for my friends and family in England and Wales, I genuinely let out a massive squeeeeeee! But I’m also happy that my own MP kept to his principles and abstained. I know he’s supportive, and I know my MSP will vote for it when she gets the chance.
#5 by Jeff on February 6, 2013 - 11:37 pm
Sorry James, I just can’t help but think that you’re trying to bend reality around a narrative rather than the other way around.
It seems an open and shut West Lothian Question case to me, particularly with the Scottish Parliament bringing forward their own Bill soon. And I don’t see what the SNP had to fear in 5 MPs voting Yes and 1 (Angus McNeill presumably) voting No.
The Greens have an excellent record on gay rights, probably quite easily the best amongst the Westminster parties. I just wonder if part of the reason behind this post is the fear of too many tanks on your lovely lawn?
#6 by Iain Menzies on February 7, 2013 - 1:09 am
The single worst thing about this whole issue is the willingness of those who support gay marriage (which it is, its not equal) to call people that dissagree with them bigots and homophobes.
#7 by Chris on February 7, 2013 - 11:25 am
I just can’t believe that anyone would put nationality or religion above human rights. This was about the fundamental right to equality which I would hope that any Labour, Green, Lib Dem or SNP MP would endorse. No one should use religion or nationality to divide human rights.
I think that anyone who opposed or deliberately abstained in this vote is contemptable, no matter what reason they have.
#8 by Gregor on February 7, 2013 - 10:37 pm
Calling those with strong principles “contemptible” is not going to help us win the argument..
No one is saying it had anything to do with nationality. This is about MPs who represent constituencies in Scotland and northern Ireland voting in affairs that have nothing to do with them. Equality is great, but not at the expense of democracy.
I fully welcome advances in lgbt rights in any country, be it the Scottish government’s bill allowing me to get married, or the dropping of the Ugandan bill. But I’m not going to change my principles or beliefs to get there.
To compare it to another area of policy, I would like to see an independent Scotland as well as get married. But if Alex decided to declare independence unilaterally, without the referendum, then I’d not be happy. Yes, it gets me to where I want to be, but I’m not comfortable with the way we got there.
#9 by Gregor on February 8, 2013 - 10:31 am
Apologies for the double post, but I’m still utterly baffled.
Why is this posted under “Holyrood”?
#10 by Jeff on February 11, 2013 - 10:09 am
‘Holyrood’ is the default topic title. We all tend to forget to update it. Unless James was trying to make a (very) subtle point…!