Another guest today from Dan Phillips. You may have seen his biog a week ago, but here it is again. Dan’s a press photographer by trade but a political obsessive at heart. A small ‘l’ liberal, he blogs at liberalsellout.wordpress.com. The blog has taken to dissecting the local elections in Edinburgh of late and this is his latest post in this vein.
If you as a party were fighting for your life, you’d pull the finger out.
Or you would have thought so. It’s less than a month to go till the polls and not a peep has been heard from the Lib Dems.
They were the last to put out their candidate list. Not a single policy has been trailed in the local media. Not a hint of what they would do in a coalition. And this is a tipping point for the birdy badged party.
A perfect storm in Edinburgh meant they were annihilated at Holyrood. Trams, the UK Coalition combined with the god-awful campaign they ran conspired to remove all their representatives from the capital – not even an insurance list seat.
You would think they’d have learnt. But given the inertia from their camp apparently not.
In 2007 they clinched 17 councillors – but only just. Seven of those were in the last round barely scraping past the finish line. Some didn’t even make the quota but were merely the last candidate standing. In short they won by being everyone’s second favourite – they are the lowest common denominator.
But need I say it, the context is ever so slightly different now. The Nats are standing two candidates in many of those same wards where the Lib Dems won through inertia (like Sighthill, Craigentinny and Portobello to name a few) while the paucity of independent candidates in this election means there is no second chance to get it right. If you don’t get a decent haul of first preferences, expect execution in the first round.
So how to avoid this fate? Well you could put out at least some sort of policy. Maybe trumpet your successes as a council over the last five years. Do something to cut the tram albatross from around your neck. Possibly, and I know this is radical, give your lost voters a reason to return, and the hard core a reason to turn up.
Or you could do nothing and let the self imposed vacuum be filled with the policies of the opposition.
It’s up to the Lib Dems what they do. But to my mind there are only four safe-ish seats, and that’s a relative term. Edinburgh’s voting patterns contrive to bind the UK Coalition partners together. In three seats where the Lib Dems are strongest, so are the Tories. And we know that the Tories prefer the Lib Dems substantially over any other party, so expect to see the blues haul the injured Lib Dems over the line in Almond, Corstorphine and Meadows/Morningside. In Drumbrae/Gyle the Lib Dems had 45% of the first preference in 2007 – it would be a colossal disaster if they could not return there.
Everywhere else? Well it’s up to them. I suspect that Southside will return Mackenzie for the Lib Dems but it is very narrow, election fans. Beyond that every seat will have to be wrung from the opposition.
The defence to such inaction could be that the SNP have been silent too. That in 2007 the Nats hadn’t put out a manifesto at this stage either. But the Nats aren’t at risk of being torn asunder by the four other parties currently lashed to their limbs.
If you wish to be uncharitable to the Lib Dems you could note they have made one promise in their ‘Edinburgh Voice’ newspaper. The strapline directly underneath the masthead on one reading declares an Edinburgh ‘free from the Scottish Liberal Democrats’. Carry on like this and they might just deliver it.
#1 by Callum Leslie on April 7, 2012 - 12:26 pm
This insatiable hunger for a manifesto shows a complete lack of understanding of what voters actually base their decisions on.
#2 by James on April 7, 2012 - 12:47 pm
But if a party is up against it, you would agree that having some new ideas to promote might help, presumably?
#3 by An Duine Gruamach on April 7, 2012 - 1:24 pm
Callum, can we base our decisions on policies? I’ve a Lib Dem coonciler in my ward, and I’ve never met or had a letter from him, so personal vote sure isn’t going to do it. I don’t think leaflets with “winning here” and the notorious Liberal not-to-scale [i.e. deceitful] bar charts will do him much good, either.
#4 by Callums Watcher on April 7, 2012 - 2:33 pm
If you haven’t met Callum before, here is the disclosure you are looking for: Callum works for the LibDems. Callum stood for them as a constituency MSP and lost his deposit. Callum is now campaigning for his mother in the Council elections.
#5 by James on April 7, 2012 - 4:01 pm
Callum, if that’s not really you or you dispute any of the facts I’ll be happy to edit/delete comments.
#6 by Callum Leslie on April 7, 2012 - 6:42 pm
Well, I don’t work for the Lib Dems but I did stand as a candidate, and I am helping my mother get re-elected, since she’s a damn fine councillor, irrespective of party.
It’s a wonder young people like me generally don’t get involved in politics, when all they do is get slated for it. Personally I’m flattered to get my own watcher but I do find it hilarious that the stock answer for a lot of people post-coalition to anything I say is “but you’re a Lib Dem so your opinions don’t matter.”
#7 by Daniel J on April 7, 2012 - 3:50 pm
I think he does have a certain point. The lack of a physical manifesto is just something or us obsessives. The question of course is if it points to a deeper malaise or lack of ideas within the party?
#8 by Dan on April 7, 2012 - 12:58 pm
I’d happily settle for just one policy. Just a little policy…
The Lib Dems are at a low ebb and lack a distinctive voice, they need to give voters a reason to bother to vote for them. They are failing to do that. And whilst they’ve maintained radio silence all three opposition parties have announced ideas and policy.
Is it too much to ask that the Lib Dems put out something?
#9 by Dan on April 7, 2012 - 4:26 pm
I’m not entirely sure what Callum’s done to deserve his very own watcher! It’s quite clear both from his comments here and on his twitter he’s a Lib Dem. The fact he’s also standing for council in Fife underlines it’s no secret!
#10 by James on April 7, 2012 - 4:44 pm
All I meant was – is that actually the Callum you describe or someone pretending to be him?
#11 by Callum Leslie on April 7, 2012 - 6:43 pm
As you say, a quick Google of my name reveals all. I don’t exactly attempt to hide my political affiliation, so it’s quite funny that my “watcher” thinks it’s some great revelation.
#12 by James on April 8, 2012 - 10:55 am
Callum, just checking someone wasn’t pretending to be you 😉
#13 by An Duine Gruamach on April 8, 2012 - 3:17 pm
Which was worth doing. If someone was wanting to discredit the Liberal Democrats (better than the the Lib Dems themselves, are doing, I mean), then impersonating a Lib Dem online and saying “we don’t actually need policies” might be a way of doing that.
#14 by Callum Leslie on April 9, 2012 - 12:56 pm
I think if you actually read what I said, I said that we didn’t need a physical manifesto with a big launch that nobody comes to, like Labour. EVERY party needs policies, obviously…
James, thank you for that. I’ve no problem with people knowing who I am or my political affiliations and it’s a constant source of amusement that apparently being a member of a particular party invalidates my opinions, seemingly.
#15 by Phil Hunt on April 7, 2012 - 6:11 pm
Lib Dem leader (and council leader) Jenny Dawe was elected in Drumbrae/Gyle in 2007, but for this election has switched to Meadows/Morningside, so perhaps even she thinks she might not get re-elected there.
As you say, it will be utterly disastrous if they lose somewhere where they got 45% last time.
I don’t think Cllr Dawe will be re-elected. Last time, the Lid Dems, Tories, Labour and Greens each one a seat. The Lib Dem vote will be down, because of Clegg and the trams. Also, the LDs last time were very good at picking up lower preferences — this time they will be less so, becaue they are widely disliked now.
If the 2011 election is anything to go by, the SNP vote will go up. I think they’ll get more 1st preferences than the LDs, and transfers won’t make up the difference. Sop it may well be that the Tories, Greens, Labour, and Nationalists each get a seat.
BTW, I’m standing as the Pirate Party candidate. I’m a bit of an outside chance ot get elected, though,
#16 by Jeff on April 7, 2012 - 6:39 pm
Interesting Phil, didn’t realise the Pirate Party were standing in Edinburgh. Best of luck. I’m aware of their breakthrough in Sweden as my partner’s Dad votes for them. If you want to send in a guest post to get the PP word out then by all means feel free, I wager we’d be particularly happy to post.
#17 by Phil Hunt on April 7, 2012 - 9:21 pm
I’d be happy to do a guest post. Do you have any subject in mind, or shall I select one?
#18 by Jeff on April 8, 2012 - 9:27 am
Happy to leave it op Phil, I’d have thought something along the lines of ‘why vote for the Pirate Party rather than the established parties’, not that one really needs much of a reason these days (witness George Galloway). – editors ‘at’ better nation ‘dot’ org if you do go for it.
#19 by Dan on April 7, 2012 - 7:15 pm
Thanks for your reply Phil, did you stand for the Pirates in the Liberton byelection as well?
As I understand it many Tories in the equivalent constituency switched to the SNP in the 2011 Scottish Parliament election to deliver one in the eye for Labour and obviously don’t have the same motivation this time. However you’re on the ground, what has been the response to Dawe seeking asylum in Meadows?
#20 by Phil Hunt on April 8, 2012 - 11:42 am
did you stand for the Pirates in the Liberton byelection as well?
Yes, that’s right.
As I understand it many Tories in the equivalent constituency switched to the SNP in the 2011 Scottish Parliament election to deliver one in the eye for Labour and obviously don’t have the same motivation this time.
That’s true. it’ll be interesting to see where Tories’ 2nd preferences go. They got 26% of 1st preferences last time, so if that happens again they’ll be elected on the first round.
However you’re on the ground, what has been the response to Dawe seeking asylum in Meadows?
Well no-one’s actually mentioned her move to me. There is however a consiterable amount of sentiment relating to the trams and the council’s competence thereof.
#21 by Barbarian on April 7, 2012 - 11:19 pm
I like the Pirate name… aaaarr (ok, I’m sure you’ve had enough of those!). It would be good if you won a seat. I’m always in favour of independent candidates. I think it adds a different focus to a council.
On the Lib Dems, I’ve predicted that they will lose about sixty odd seats, and I’m being generous. The reason for such generosity is that it is council elections rather than parliamentary.
Aberdeen and Edinburgh may decide the fate of the Lib Dems. If they do get slaughtered in Scotland, I think a coup is on the cards at Westminster.
#22 by Phil Hunt on April 8, 2012 - 12:43 pm
If they do get slaughtered in Scotland, I think a coup is on the cards at Westminster.
AQ lot of Lib Dems don’t liek the new internet snooping law, particularly when both they and the Tories were against it when the last Labour government proposed it. Nick Clegg’s contention that “its not the same thing because the new proposal is lots of littel databases instead of one big one” is frankly an insult to the intelligence.
So, yeah, expect some Lib Dem discontent is they do badly (i.e. go below 100 seats Scotland-wide).
#23 by Doug Daniel on April 8, 2012 - 8:20 pm
As a matter of fact, I’d argue lots of little databases is even worse than one big one. That means more databases for people to get your details from, more databases for human error to cause a problem, and more databases to require updating. Presumably they would still need to talk to each other as well – there’s little point in keeping track of this data if the systems using it can’t speak to one another – so it’s no different anyway.
#24 by Barney Thomson on April 8, 2012 - 1:05 am
Lib Dems and “policies” in the same sentence, remarkable.
The only Lib Dem policies I can remember are –
1- agree with everything Labour says in the Scottish Parliament
2 – agree with everything the Tories say in Westminster
(At least it is a positive approach.)
What exactly do the Lib Dems stand for?
#25 by Doug Daniel on April 8, 2012 - 8:21 pm
“What exactly do the Lib Dems stand for?”
Getting elected.
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