A guest today from Dan Phillips. Dan’s a press photographer by trade but a political obsessive at heart. A small ‘l’ liberal, he blogs at liberalsellout.wordpress.com. The blog has taken to dissecting the local elections in Edinburgh of late and this is his latest post in this vein.
If you had ‘broken’ an electoral system thanks to your unprecedented popularity, you’d have a spring in your step too. Just as in the rest of the country, the SNP have high expectations in Edinburgh.
The overflowing confidence brought by May 2011 has led the SNP to field more candidates than any other party in Edinburgh – 26 in all. That may also be why their leader Steve Cardownie felt he could declare that “the Greens are submitting this motion now because they won’t be here after May” as he and the Lib Dems slapped down their motion for a public petitions system.
You cannot blame the Nats for this confidence. And having been cautious in 2007 by only standing one candidate in each ward, net gains are the only probable outcome. In fact the Lib Dems owe many of their seats in Edinburgh to nationalist hesitancy in 2007: in Portobello the SNP’s Bridgman was elected in the first round with 1000 votes spare, whilst the Lib Dems scraped in on the fourteenth round, not even making the quota.
But there’s an interesting characteristic to the SNP vote. Those 1,000 votes in Portobello largely didn’t transfer, and that pattern is repeated across Edinburgh. If you take the four wards where the SNP and the SNP alone won in the first round it’s possible to determine the political peccadillos of the nationalist voter. There’s over 10,000 in the sample, not a bad survey:
With over half not transferring this confirms what is known from the “both votes SNP” Parliament campaign. Those that vote with the cause are really quite attached. And with the Nats standing two candidates in nine wards this will further choke the transfers other parties may hope for.
And by translating those May 2011 parliament gains whilst also using 2007 as a measure for their safest seats, the SNP have, in Cardownie’s words, ‘used an almost scientific’ approach. They won’t get both elected in all of these wards, but they don’t in my view also risk electing none in Leith, Leith Walk, Craigentinny, Portobello, Liberton, Sighthill or Forth. Where this strategy does make some risks is in both Inverleith and Drum Brae/Gyle. They may have won Edinburgh Western last year, but only just.
But as we all know, people vote differently in different elections. And with a low turnout expected, it could even be different people voting entirely. There’s also very different factors at play. It’s not ‘Salmond for First Minister’, it’s ‘Cardownie for Council’. That soft Lib Dem vote that fell into the warm cuddly Alex embrace doesn’t have the same incentive to vote for them this time as the council has been ‘run’ by a Lib Dem-SNP Coalition. Will they even vote at all?
Of course 26 does not a majority make. If they elected all of them they’d still be 4 short. And given that many of those gains will be made at the expense of the Lib Dems, will the unhappy relationship at the heart of the current coalition really stand the strain?
Therein lies the problem for our nationalist pals. If the Lib Dems shrivel to a shell of councillors they won’t be able to bridge the majority gap even if they wanted to. The mocking of the Greens appear to make them a no-go for the Edinburgh SNP, leaving them with either the Tories or Labour. Having only just backed the living wage getting into bed with the only party definitely opposed to it would be perverse when Labour are there. Perhaps that is why Cardownie said to the Edinburgh Evening News that “the other [option] is to operate as a minority administration and proceed policy by policy with the support of different parties at different times”. Should a victorious SNP be able to repeat Salmond’s 07-11 government and navigate minority adminstration via concession this could be more stable than a hopelessly divided coalition. If, however, they don’t prove to be as shrewd as their Holyrood counterparts, they may find themselves in office but not in power.
#1 by John Böttcher on March 27, 2012 - 2:24 pm
I have been a member of the SNP for some years now.
I shall NOT be voting SNP at the local election, mainly because of Cardownie, whose officious and frankly rude manners to his own electorate have quite damaged the party I belong to and pay dues to.
I’ll be voting Green, with no other preferences.
Regards
#2 by James on March 27, 2012 - 3:18 pm
I also have a much lower view of the SNP locally than I do nationally. Cardownie is definitely not an asset, and watching a divided administration commit to and undermine the trams project has been painful.
Bottom line is this: the Lib Dems have zero principles and the SNP have just one, which is irrelevant to running local authorities. So you get game-playing mixed in with rule by officials. Dog’s breakfast.
#3 by GMcM on March 27, 2012 - 3:54 pm
I’m sure you will know more about the feelings on the ground in Edinburgh than I do and so you can disagree with my prediction and I won’t be offended.
Looking at the 2007 election and the strength of vote for each party today I was thinking the result will be something like this:
LD: 7 (-10)
Lab: 20 (+5)
SNP: 21 (+9)
Con: 9 (-2)
Green: 1 (-2)
Now I’m basing that more on the movement of LD votes to Lab/SNP so it would be good to hear your thoughts on how the Greens will fair in attempting to attract disenfranchised LDs.
If the Greens can pick up a couple of percent of the LD vote in certain seats they will easily hold what they have and perhaps pick up. Depending on the seat this will either reduce the Labour or the SNP total seats.
How are the Greens feeling about Edinburgh James?
#4 by James on March 27, 2012 - 4:11 pm
I’m not doing much locally – a year off was indicated! – but there’s a lot of hard work going on and a great track record. Dan’s piece on us earlier this month was the best, actually.
#5 by GMcM on March 27, 2012 - 4:21 pm
Personally I feel the LD vote is likely to move in greater proportion to the SNP. From a Labour POV I wouldn’t mind the Greens taking some of that LD vote to inhibit the increase in SNP voteshare – that’s just selfish though!
#6 by James on March 27, 2012 - 4:33 pm
Nobody voted Lib Dem in 2007 to see the trams made such a mess of, and Lib Dem voters will hold the SNP responsible. Labour will get more ex-Libs than the SNP will. Only those oblivious to the city they live in will move that way. Incidentally, I think the Lib Dem»SNP mass switch logic in 2011 is a crock. The ex-Lib Dems went largely to Labour, but then Labour lost roughly the same number of voters in turn to the SNP. Churn that just happened to look like a direct switch.
#7 by GMcM on March 27, 2012 - 4:48 pm
I can’t remember the exact numbers (I have them somewhere and I’ll get back to you) but I’m sure most LDs went to SNP, but not a massive percentage higher than Labour. You’re spot on – ~21% of Labour voters in the 2010 GE switched to SNP.
I made this point to a few fellow Labour members – it wasn’t the LD vote moving to the SNP that killed us in 2011 but rather the 20-odd percent of Labour voters moving to SNP with the LD switch to us preventing us falling further behind.
It was the LD vote that kept the Labour vote up/only fell 0.5%.
Back to Edinburgh – I thought you would know more about the feelings of the electorate there than me and so it has proved. I’m just thinking that a lot of people will still see the SNP as ‘winners’ and will want to back a winner.
#8 by Daniel J on March 27, 2012 - 6:24 pm
‘Strength of vote for each party today’ Given the Greens improved by ~10% last year I don’t know how you ended up with 1 (-2). AJ and Maggie C would both have probably been fine with Burgess a bit more unsure.
#9 by James on March 27, 2012 - 6:45 pm
Still a pessimistic analysis.
#10 by Doug Daniel on March 27, 2012 - 7:23 pm
Yeah, I thought the Greens were more popular in Edinburgh than anywhere else?
#11 by Daniel J on March 27, 2012 - 7:53 pm
6.5% in Glasgow vs 8.3% in Edinburgh in the last locals. Not that different really, at the kind of level the concentration of support and ward composition can have a big impact on the number of seats.
Both are comparatively bad when you look at the English Greens who are at around 15% in Shefield, York, Lancaster, Oxford, Cambridge etc.
Then again in 2003 we only had 1 local candidate in Scotland..
#12 by Gerard on March 27, 2012 - 9:11 pm
What I was looking at was the by-election (I know it’s not a direct comparison with many other factors at play) in August which showed a fall in support for the Greens.
It wasn’t exactly a scientific analysis I carried out 😀
I was just looking at the numbers on wikipedia and quickly glancing through each ward. From memory I think there was a couple of Green councillors who could be taken out if there was a significant move from LD to SNP.
I tend to think the Greens will pick up some of that vote, especially after what James was saying above, and that will allow them so see off any challenge for their positions in May. Also, if they do pick up from LD across the city they could add to their numbers.
If I have time I’ll do a more thorough analysis 😉 but as I said it was just a cursory glance at some numbers during my break today.
#13 by James on March 27, 2012 - 9:58 pm
Without wishing to sound like an irritating know-it-all wannabe, I think the last part of my first point here is pretty important for learning lessons from that local by election.
#14 by Gerard on March 27, 2012 - 10:14 pm
It’s always helpful to know a little more about the history of polling figures (highest by-election result). The point about the drop in Green 1st preferences is well made. I’m taking from that that there was a section of likely Green voters who didn’t/couldn’t vote i.e. students but the work put in during the by-election beared fruits by attracting more 2nd/3rd peferences.
I’ve always kinda taken the view that Labour wouldn’t benefit from the trams debacle because the SNP would just blame us for it. I think it’s important that people realise that regardless of who supported the trams it was up to the LDs/SNP to deliver them. They have made a complete pigs ear of the whole project. The more cynical part of me thinks the SNP councillors didn’t have their hearts in it and cold see the benefits for themselves in it failing. I could be generous though and say it was more down to the imcompetence of both parties to see it through properly.
It will be an exciting election in Edinburgh and the wheeling and dealing afterwards could be interesting also. It’ll be particularly interesting to see who is most affected by an increase in Green support if that does materialise.
#15 by Dan on March 27, 2012 - 5:23 pm
An interesting set of figures there. For what it is worth I think the Lib Dem seats will fall further than you. Many of their seats were won in the last round. Their safest seats are where they both had a high first preference and the Tories also poll well (Edinburgh Conservatives backed Liberals as a 2nd preference 35% of the time). Those seats are Almond, Corstorphine and Meadows/Morningside. In Drumbrae the Libs polled 45% of first preferences. Beyond those seats it really is anyone’s guess whether parties successfully transfer their vote to their second candidates or monumentally stuff it up and let through ‘rogue’ results like Greens or Tories in unexpected places.
#16 by CassiusClaymore on March 27, 2012 - 5:48 pm
As an Edinburgh resident i can tell you that most of the people I know blame Labour and the Libs for the trams. The contracts were signed before the SNP took either local or governmental office, and once the contracts were signed it was game over. Moreover, Edinburgh has had a useless council for 20 years now and, again, most folk understand that that’s down to Labour.
Having said that, Cardownie is not rated at all and, as an SNP member and voter, I personally find him to be an embarrassment.
The Libs will be annihilated. Which I hope Michael Brown’s pensioner victims, whose money the Libs refused to return, will appreciate.
CC
#17 by Barbarian on March 27, 2012 - 7:09 pm
Not being an Edinburgh resident, I can’t really comment on Cardownie.
However, Edinburgh is fascinating with the split of votes. The SNP will probably make gains, but is any party going to jump into the political bed with them now?
#18 by Hugh on March 27, 2012 - 8:07 pm
As an Edinburgh resident I will be voting SNP especially since today the Labour Party announced they would ban major works in the City Centre once the trams are finally completed. A bit hypocritical of them considering the trams were their making. Who are they trying to kid, not me, or anyone else that has half a brain!
#19 by Tom Cresswell on March 27, 2012 - 9:29 pm
I’m not an Edinburgh resident admittedly, but from what I’ve heard from those living there, based on the anger of the people living there and the responses from the parties, isn’t the Edinburgh City Council election just going to be a referendum on which party they blame for the Trams problem: Labour or SNP? A strong chance it will go either way…
#20 by Angus McLellan on March 28, 2012 - 1:26 am
Did I imagine Jenny “small glitch” Dawe? I”m sure I didn’t, so the Lib Dems are unlikely to escape.
#21 by Barbarian on March 28, 2012 - 12:44 am
The trams must be the central issue here, and could result in a bit of vote swapping. eg Those who previously voted Labour blaming them, so switching to the SNP and vice versa.
One major factor in local elections can be the personalities. Councillors tend to be more visible than MPs or MSPs. And many councillors are long standing, and that counts in their favour. In EK, we have one Labour councillor who is extremely popular, and no matter what Labour do at a national level, he will always be voted in.
It would be interesting to hear from those who live in Edinburgh how the campaign is being conducted by the various parties. Will it be a blame game? Will one party display arrogance?
I expect Edinburgh will have a higher turnout than elsewhere, all down to the trams. As Tom points out, it could turn into a mini-referendum.
Be interesting to see how people from Aberdeen (Doug?) see the elections going there.
#22 by Doug Daniel on March 28, 2012 - 10:03 am
WELL! We had SNP activists round the other day, and they reckoned they were getting a better response than they had hoped for (I live in an area that used to elect Tory MPs).
The big issue in Aberdeen is the City Garden Project/Union Terrace Gardens. However, I can’t see it harming the SNP too much – they were the only party to allow a free vote (so some of them voted against it – and some of those who voted for it are MSPs and therefore won’t be running this year), and the fact they put it to a referendum in the first place will probably diffuse it for anyone except people who wouldn’t have voted for the SNP anyway. Labour are trying to make it into an issue by saying they’ll cancel it, but I think everyone can see they’re just being very cynical. People haven’t forgotten how shocking their running of the council was, the massive debts they ran up, and the public properties that they stupidly sold off for a fraction of what they were actually worth.
It’s tough to call. Although there has been a call from pro-UTG campaigners to dump the current council completely, the man who spearheaded the CGP (Lib Dems’ John Stewart, the former council leader) has decided not to stand this year (jumping before being pushed, I think), and as I say, a couple of the more prominent pro-CGP SNP councillors (occasional BN contributor Mark McDonald and former group leader Kevin Stewart) are now MSPs so will not be standing this year either. So the anti-CGP vote might turn out to be somewhat of a damp squib.
Personally, I think the SNP will retain their place as the biggest party – after all, the North-East is SNP territory – and I’m hoping the Lib Dem vote goes to the Greens rather than Labour. But it’s tough to tell, because I can’t find any info on who the candidates in Aberdeen are, other than two of my local ones (SNP’s Gordon Townson, who got in through a by-election last year, and Ian Yuill of the Lib Dems, who’s actually a pretty good councillor, although his current campaigns for installing a new zebra crossing beside the new Tesco Express and a red-light camera on South Anderson Drive are pretty cruddy) and the few that I know for a fact are standing down.
Pretty poor situation, really. Hopefully there’ll be announcements soon enough.
#23 by Doug Daniel on March 28, 2012 - 10:33 am
Just to put some figures here, the current make up of the Aberdeen council is:
SNP – 15 (12 in 2007)
Lib Dems – 11 (15 in 2007 – 2 now indies, 1 expelled from council and 2 deaths)
Labour – 8 (10 in 2007 – 2 now indies)
Tories – 2 (5 in 2007 – 2 now indies, 1 dead)
Independent Alliance Group – 3 (only 1 was independent in 2007)
Independents – 4 (all chucked out of their parties since 2007)
As you can see, a fair shift in balance over 5 years. I dunno if this is par for course for councils, but I’m amazed at how many have resigned or been chucked out of their parties (like Scott Cassie, who got chucked out of the Lib Dems and then the council for embezzling funds, which came as no surprise to those of us who went to the same school as his son, who is equally morally repugnant; and Gordon Leslie, who was charged with kerb crawling and was suspended from, again, the Lib Dems). Just to highlight, the SNP are spotless (famous last words..?) so whatever folk think of their decisions, at least they look honest.
No greens, but there are green councillors in Aberdeenshire, so I’m hoping we get one or two this time round. Might help if they stood more than 5 candidates, mind. They had two candidates reach the last round of voting in 2007, but even they weren’t particularly close to getting through… Daniel may have some insight as to how the Greens think they’ll fare, though!
#24 by Doug Daniel on March 28, 2012 - 10:37 am
(Note: when I say “I’m hoping we get one or two this time round”, the “we” is Aberdeen, nae the Green party! Just in case people think I’ve suddenly jumped ship…)
#25 by Daniel J on March 28, 2012 - 10:33 am
‘Free vote’ all you like but the Lib Dems and SNP brought the proposal forward. I’m sure it will damage the SNP in some places, but not by any great amount.
After #sp11 they managed to double their vote in a local by-election and do very well in the other. I doubt they’ll be able to pull that off.
I’ll be honest here and say I’ve had pretty negative experiences with some in the local SNP, especially their councillors. (Mark McDonald excluded)
From what I gather the SNP are running at least 24 candidates, enough for a majority. Will they get it? I doubt it, but they’ll be close. Labour are also standing more candidates than last time in an attempt to capitalise on UTG etc.
#26 by Steve on March 28, 2012 - 7:23 pm
I’m hoping that this year the SSP might get a seat. Colin Fox stood in a bye election a while back and got a lot of labour second preference votes, which obviously didn’t transfer as there was only one seat being contested. But if someting similar happens this time he might get in. I think the SSP’s long standing opposition to the trams might help too.
#27 by Dan on March 29, 2012 - 11:19 am
I assume Fox will be standing in Liberton/Gilmerton again? Well there’s two Labour candidates so if he managed to stay above the drop zone long enough, transfers could come his way from them. It’ll be a tough job though
#28 by douglas clark on March 28, 2012 - 10:55 pm
Have any opinion polls been conducted specifically on the Scottish LG elections? I am not aware of any.
#29 by douglas clark on March 28, 2012 - 10:56 pm
Oops!
#30 by Alan J Boston on March 30, 2012 - 1:01 am
#16 “As an Edinburgh resident i can tell you that most of the people I know blame Labour and the Libs for the trams. The contracts were signed before the SNP took either local or governmental office, and once the contracts were signed it was game over.”
Sorry – just not true. Contracts were signed on 1st May 2008 (a full year after the last local elections) and all 12 SNP Councillors signed them!
Inconvenient but true.
#31 by Gaz on April 1, 2012 - 10:01 am
I’ve not been active in Edinburgh politics for years but helped deliver SNP councillors to the old Edinburgh District and Lothian Regional Council in what is now the Almond ward long before the SNP became fashionable across Edinburgh.
I think anyone suggesting the trams issue will hurt the SNP is indulging in wishful thinking. it patently did not last year and, since then, a lot of positive progress has been made. I would say the trams issue remains largely positive for the SNP in political terms.
I do think that Steve Cardownie is not seen as a plus by many voters but it would take a major effort in negative campaigning on the part of his opponents for that to have any real impact across the city.
I also think the SNP should have been putting more candidates forward but clearly some sitting councillors think their own personal position is more important than delivering the best possible result for the party.
In neighbouring West Lothian, the SNP is putting up 22 candidates for only 33 seats, with 2 candidates in 5 wards and 3 in the other 4. With all sitting councillors re-contesting, many are putting the party and cause ahead of personal ambition.
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