A guest from Kirsty Connell, former Labour candidate and Vice Chair of the STUC’s Young Workers’ Committee.
From Caesar’s “Veni, Vidi, Vici†to Obama’s “Yes we canâ€, via the cry of “Liberté, égalité, fraternité†coined in the French Revolution, the history of the greatest political victories can be traced through looking for those able to distill ideology into mantra.
Capturing the zeitgeist in a pithy phrase isn’t just a mechanism of spin, or simply a clever advertising jingle drawn up to then crawl into voters’ heads and guide their hand in the ballot box. Any idiot can come up with a slogan. But for the one line to work, to be compelling, durable, persuasive, it needs to encapsulate the political narrative of the candidate. To take the ideology, values and attitudes of that politician or party, tie it up with the emotions and beliefs of the voters, and state in very few words what making this choice will mean to you, your family, your country.
It’s disappointing, but unsurprising, that Scottish Labour appears to have dismissed the whole of the above as something they just don’t need to do. Speaking at the first Leadership hustings, Johann Lamont said: “In the last election we lost our way, we lost our confidence, and we lost Scotland. People tell us we need to find a narrative. We don’t need to find a narrative, we need to remember our story.â€
She couldn’t be more wrong. Scottish Labour has never needed more urgently to find and explain its narrative to the voters. Preferably in as few words as possible.
To continue James’ explanation a few posts back of Strøm and Müller’ model of coalition building, there is little in political marketing that I despise more than candidates who openly sell themselves as “office-seekingâ€. To me, Tom Harris’ Twitter bio of “Campaigning to be Labour’s next candidate for First Minister†insults voters by assuming the purpose of leading a political party is the office itself, with no reference to the policies or campaigning that need to come first to get you into that office.
And sure, the point can be made that it’s only governments that get to do anything, so winning the office has to come first in order to deliver those policies. But I still think any candidate should do voters the service of telling them what their time in office would look like, what it would do and how it would change things.
Narrative matters in politics. It is not a sexy buzzword bandied about by political consultants selling snake oil. If you don’t have a dialogue with voters to discuss with them who you are, how you got here, and where you’re going, you’re not going to go anywhere.
Scottish Labour can’t hope to sit around as the default, waiting for the Scottish electorate to realise what utter idiots they’ve been putting the SNP in power and so decide it’s high time to come home to Labour.
Lamont was right in one part of her soundbite: Labour did indeed lose its way in 2011, although I think it was lost long before. But Labour lost its way, its confidence and Scotland because it lost its narrative. Apart from the independence bit, nobody could really say why voting for Scottish Labour would be different from voting for the SNP. Policies were broadly similar, attitudes to the Tory government in Westminster mostly aligned. But Salmond and the SNP have their big picture and they have found the best way to tell everyone what that big picture looks like and means. Scottish Labour were left looking like they were working on a scribble on an envelope of a big bad Tory government and a bigger, badder SNP First Minister.
But like a Rembrandt abandoned in an attic and slightly water damaged, Scottish Labour still has about two-thirds of a big picture. And it can be restored and revitalised.
I still think the party and its members know who it is and knows what the beautiful words written on the back of membership cards mean. I think Scottish Labour, for all the casting about for scapegoats and excuses for the 2007 and 2011 debacles, does know in its heart how it got to where it is today. So I don’t think any of the three of Scottish Labour’s leadership candidates need to be scared about constructing the third part of the narrative, to tell the voters about where Labour is going to go.
Lamont, Harris and Macintosh just need to start asking what the purpose is. About everything. Is it Scottish Labour’s purpose to be the party of aspiration? Is it Scottish Labour’s purpose to defend the union? To defeat the SNP? To defend working people against the cuts?
Scottish Labour’s purpose could be any, or none, of the above. But its next leader needs to be clear and coherent about why Scottish Labour exists, stands candidates, and wants to win. It needs a narrative. It’s not good enough to assume the raison d’etre for Scottish Labour is intrinsically known and understood by the electorate. Get that right, and I promise the mantra will just trip off the tongue in 2016.
#1 by An Duine Gruamach on November 7, 2011 - 11:00 am
Could its narrative not be about socialism? That’s one word I very seldom see or hear in discussions of Labour’s loss of direction – whether here, in the Gruaniad, LibCon… and certainly not Labour Hame.
#2 by itsyourself on November 7, 2011 - 11:44 am
None of those things mentioned at the end speak for me. The SNP has a vision of a Scotland that even if it is not independent in all things it will be empowered and engaged in acting for the Scottish people. Labour has a vision of power in London. It cannot seem to shake that idea. Until Labour moves to at least devo max it has no story only the word no. We have come to a point where the story is Scotland and its people. We want aspiration, change for the better, a rising standard of living, a better Scotland. Labour wants power. Which vision do Scots want?
#3 by James on November 7, 2011 - 11:48 am
We want aspiration, change for the better, a rising standard of living, a better Scotland.
See how that’s really just platitudes? The test is: could anyone possibly agree with the opposite?
It’s real questions the SNP and Labour need to answer. Do you want to expand coal or nuclear power? What would you do to tackle inequality? Do you believe local government should be penalised for setting local tax rates? Do you think we should build additional motorways or invest in public transport?
#4 by Ken on November 7, 2011 - 11:59 am
“Lamont, Harris and Macintosh just need to start asking what the purpose is. About everything.”
That pretty much sums it up to me. I don’t know what the party stands for, I don’t know what they want, I don’t know what’s important to them. Even from a broader political discourse point of view (agree of disagree with the party) that’s just depressing.
Secondly, I don’t know if I can imagine any of those 3 candidates standing up and being the First Minister to be honest.
#5 by Doug Daniel on November 7, 2011 - 12:42 pm
“Secondly, I don’t know if I can imagine any of those 3 candidates standing up and being the First Minister to be honest.”
This is the thing. Even though when we vote we’re meant to be electing a representative for our area, people just can’t help thinking about who will become FM as a result. This is compounded by the fact we have the top up system, so that your second vote allows you to say “that’s the person I want to be my constituency MSP, but this is the party I want to govern”. It’s not such a problem in the local elections, but regardless of who wins the Labour contest, if they’re still in the position in 2016 (and assuming Scotland is still in the union…), then Labour still won’t win.
As for what Labour stands for, well, the only thing they’ve consistently stood up for in recent years is the union.
#6 by Dubbieside on November 7, 2011 - 4:45 pm
Ken
When Labour elected Iain Gray nearly everyone who voted thought at that time they were electing the next Scottish First Minister. Now they know that they are not, not only do they know they are not, but the Scottish electorate know that as well.
The quality of the Labour candidates and particularly the front bench came up often on the doorsteps prior to May. The verdict ranged from weak, to sleekit, to Oh My God they can not be serious, him/her representing Scotland on an international stage.
#7 by itsyourself on November 7, 2011 - 12:21 pm
Hi James. I know the answers most of Scotland does. We had the renewables story this week did you miss it? As for the rest let me tell you how I see things. I am a farmer, when a story comes along the SNP has a running narrative stretching back over its first term. A big story to me is SFP and CAP reform in the EU. Labour says what? Nothing at all. The SNP says, we will act on your behalf, speak up for you and Scotland, we have done a lot and can do more, when we are independent we will be equal and things will clearly be better. A full story from start to finish with figures details and policy. This is vital to 90% of Scotland’s land area. I know it is not well known in urban circles but that is the aspiration that speaks to me. We need infrastructure full stop where I am our A class roads are single track in places. Public transport is something that happens in towns.
#8 by James on November 7, 2011 - 12:25 pm
OK, so you’re against public transport in rural areas. Fine. So do you support new coal at Hunterston? And any comments on inequality? Did you, for example, read @3psteve’s piece on the disproportionate benefit the rich get from the Council Tax Freeze?
#9 by Richard on November 7, 2011 - 2:46 pm
Public transport in rural areas has been systematically run down over the last 20+ years, as it’s not profitable for private companies. Local authorities have reduced their subsidies also, especially in the last few years of “economic difficulties”. Public transport is so unreliable that it has got to the point that having your own car is a necessity for living in the country. Then, in a vicious circle, it becomes even less profitable, as it cannot compete on flexibility with everyone having their own car.
Of course there are losers here, the elderly and disabled especially, who always seem to end up at the bottom of the heap.
#10 by Erchie on November 7, 2011 - 3:13 pm
James
If you actually read what “isyourself” wrote, he did NOT say he is against public transport.
he says it is something that happens in towns.
I think you SHOULD take that to mean
“We don’t have any public transport around here!”
Doesn’t say he’s for it or against it, but they don’t have public transport and he implies the roads couldn’t take it if they had
#11 by Don McC on November 7, 2011 - 6:59 pm
The problem with @3psteve’s analysis is he forgets, even though many pointed it out, that £100 to someone who earns £100,000 a year is worth less than £50 to someone who earns £16,000.
Yes, scrapping the council tax freeze will stop the rich benefitting but it will be more harsh on low income families.
#12 by DougtheDug on November 7, 2011 - 12:46 pm
I’ve always been puzzled by this term, “narrative”, when used by political parties. Political parties used to have, aims, goals or ambitions not narratives. If a party only has a narrative on view it’s just treading water in the hope that no-one else has anything better or they don’t really want to promote their true aim.
The SNP has an aim, the independence of Scotland and the empowerment of its people and all else flows from that single aim. The problem for the Labour party is that it also has a single aim which is the continuation of the Union and the saving of the British Establishment from break-up. That’s a problem if you’re a party which was founded as a bulwark against the British Establishment.
The Labour party now finds it very difficult to criticise the British State and Establishment beyond complaining about the way the Tories manage it because it’s very difficult to point out the faults in an institution that you are obsessed with saving. The Labour party has an aim but they can’t articulate it beyond independence bad, union good without giving the game away that they actually are the British Establishment so all they’ve got left is that odd word, “narrative”.
“Lamont, Harris and Macintosh just need to start asking what the purpose is. About everything. Is it Scottish Labour’s purpose to be the party of aspiration? Is it Scottish Labour’s purpose to defend the union? To defeat the SNP? To defend working people against the cuts?”
It’s easy to define the Labour party’s current purpose. It’s to defend the Union and defeat the SNP. The rest is just incidental and there’s a question which emerges from that purpose which no Labour supporter has ever been able to answer for me. Why is the Labour party in Scotland so unionist that it prefers Westminster Tory rule to independence for Scots and Scotland?
#13 by Aidan on November 7, 2011 - 1:19 pm
There’s maybe an argument here that the leader should be more of a “chief communicator” and let the party decide on policy..
#14 by Jeff on November 7, 2011 - 2:17 pm
That would be an excellent model for Labour in Scotland and, to be fair, Ed Miliband is making a decent fist of such an approach of it in a UK context. Certainly more so than Blair or Brown, or the coalition ‘quad’ for that matter. I do find it remarkable that Lib Dems still claim that the members make democratic decisions about policies that the top tier must follow.
I’m genuinely excited by the competition that a resurgent Labour would bring to the SNP’s dominance and just hope that the ‘other’ parties can keep up and get a look-in too. Scotland deserves better than a Republican-Democrat style political war of attrition.
#15 by itsyourself on November 7, 2011 - 2:37 pm
The problem there Jeff is Labour have no policy. They say they will run austerity “better” than the rest. They ask for growth, well Balls does at any rate but not a clue about getting any. As for Scotland Labour seems to use Twitter for “abuse of the day” and run through the thesaurus of separation. Today’s word was “sedition”. Dire stuff.
#16 by Allan on November 7, 2011 - 8:45 pm
It’s dificult to run austerity better when you agree with probably 95% of the cuts at any given time. I have said plenty of times both here and on my own blog (but not Labour hame…) that Balls should prehaps advocate a genuine alternative. The tightening up of the tax rules that Osborne & Alexander have loosened, really puting Dave Hartnett on the rack over his deals with Vodaphone & Goldman Sachs, and really having a go at Osborne over the embarasing deal with Switzerland.
Of course, Balls won’t do any of this. Too many swing votes work in the City.
#17 by Gaz on November 8, 2011 - 11:02 am
Jeff,
I can’t believe you are saying that Milliband is a better communicator than Blair, so I assume you mean that Milliband is better at letting the party develop policy.
I’m not sure I see any evidence of that at the moment and you also have to remember that, in contrast to an opposition, an executive simply does not have the luxury of letting its party make policy.
Blair did however set a pretty clear framework for his modus operandi and I don’t think I was ever surprised by any decision he took.
After a year in post you would think that Milliband would have staked a similar claim by now but I genuinely have no clue what his political centre of gravity is. I don’t think he does either which might be why the unions backed him for the leadership, believing him to be the most malleable candidate.
Leadership is about finding that tricky balance between defining a direction of travel and then supporting your party to move that way. But it also requires huge trust on the part of the leader and the party.
Blair eventually wanted to go in a direction the party didn’t and Brown couldn’t trust the party to move in the direction he wanted, at least in the way he wanted. Milliband is probably a bit hamstrung because after Blair and Brown there is a sense in Labour that the leader can’t fully trust the party and party can’t fully trust the leader.
The problem is that prevarication only adds to this sense of mutual suspicion. Milliband has to find something similar to Blair’s Clause 4 moment and he needs to do it fast.
#18 by Jeff on November 8, 2011 - 11:23 am
I’m not necessarily saying that Miliband is a better communicator than Blair, but I do think that Ed sees his role more of communicating what Labour as a party believes rather than what Tony seemed to be doing – making decisions and gambling that his party faithful would come with him on what he decided to do, which is bad for party democracy and a big part of the reason why Labour is licking its wounds and so lost right now.
I disagree that party leaders need Clause IV moments to make their mark. Indeed, I think Labour leaders in particular should go in the opposite direction and show that they are led by their members and not so much the other way around. Labour should be a bottom up movement, not top down.
#19 by HolyroodPatter on November 7, 2011 - 1:37 pm
i agree about the inherent arrogance of Harris’ position taking, but I think thats more his nature (take for example his inability to address the first minister properly, his approach of “salmond this, salmond that, is far from statesmanlike) but I think at times that was inherent in the whole party. Take for example the beautification of Stephen Purcell before his mighty Fall. He was continually talked about as a “future first minister” the “next labour FM” etc, labours position taking (when it rarely occours) seems to still rely on the assumption the Scottish people have made a dreadful mistake and will return in their droves. Actually winning an election seems to rarely feature
#20 by A Cairns on November 7, 2011 - 1:50 pm
Good article but I’m not sure about the word ‘narrative’ it is a bit overused by political parties and the media.
I do think Labour needs to play a longer game and find solutions to stuff like a replacement to council tax and transport issues which they should have focused on more in the Holyrood campaign but didn’t.
It may well be unrealistic for Labour to get back in 2016, 2020 is more feasible after they’ve fully sorted out policy.
#21 by itsyourself on November 7, 2011 - 1:50 pm
Hi James. Some public transport would be nice where I am. I am all in favour in fact but can we have some roads for it to run on first? As for the rich I have met the odd laird or two but I suppose the council taxes on their houses is a bottle of wine territory for them so don’t really know. If you can show me how to build clean coal with carbon capture at a cost competitive with on shore wind I will take a look.
#22 by James on November 7, 2011 - 2:01 pm
Clean coal is an industry myth, I’m afraid. It’s dirty from the point of extraction to the point of use.
And as Steve points out, the 10% with the biggest assets get £507 from the CT freeze, compared to the bottom 10%, who only get £141.44. That’s why the Tories were the first to support it.
#23 by Erchie on November 7, 2011 - 3:15 pm
Do you ahppen to support the SNP’s first preference which is LIT?
A Freeze is the best of a bad job, and Councils can always choose not to implement it
#24 by James on November 7, 2011 - 3:19 pm
No, I don’t support LIT. It exempts share income and does nothing to tax wealth, only wages. We need a mixed bag of taxes, and we can’t just pile it all onto the working person’s paycheque. Also, Councils can’t make any other decision given the massive penalties for not freezing. But we’re off topic. Let’s try to get back to Kirsty’s piece, eh?
#25 by Indy on November 7, 2011 - 3:06 pm
I was just about to make that point.
It’s not a case of being able to choose between roads and public transport, especially in rural areas, because in rural areas particularly public transport on a day to day basis generally equals the bus – and buses need roads to travel on just the same as cars!
#26 by Observer on November 7, 2011 - 4:00 pm
Kirsty doesn’t actually say what she thinks the Labour Party should be for either. Personally I would like to see them attacking the SNP for the Council Tax freeze to start off with. Labour triangulated themselves out of existence before the last election, & ended up supporting policies that are not Labour policies. They could also carve out a real niche for themselves if they decided to back further devolution for Holyrood, way beyond what is currently in the Scotland Bill, but short of independence.
They just seem to be so paranoid about the SNP they are not thinking straight.
#27 by Dubbieside on November 7, 2011 - 6:11 pm
One of the biggest vote winners on the doorsteps in May was the SNP council tax freeze. Labour obviously picked up on that from their canvassing which presumably was the reason for the about face.
To change yet again, first we are against it, then we are for it, and now we are against it again would do Labour even more damage.
Politicians can debate about the council tax freeze, is it regressive etc but the one thing that is for sure is that the voting public liked it and voted overwhelmingly for the one party that they knew it would be safe with.;
#28 by Dubbieside on November 7, 2011 - 4:55 pm
The big problem for Labour is that they do not know what their narrative is, apart from SNP bad Labour good.
Their only political aim at present is beating the SNP in Scotland and supporting the right of Westminster to rule Scotland.
If at present the price of supporting the right of Westminster to rule over us is a tory government, that to Labour is price worth paying.
#29 by Observer on November 7, 2011 - 6:56 pm
Labour didn’t spell out the cost of the Council Tax Freeze. I think the next Labour leader probably will, as he or she will realise that pretending to be the SNP is not going to work for them. Labour have got to stop doing what they think will be popular & do what they think is right if they are going to recover in Scotland.
#30 by A Cairns on November 7, 2011 - 7:13 pm
Type your comment here
As far as I understand it they wanted a 2 year freeze whereas the SNP are hellbent on a 5 year one. Certainly sent out a very bad/confused message and was just about their biggest campaign error but the SNP were trying to spin things here to have it both ways.
#31 by Dubbieside on November 7, 2011 - 11:31 pm
How were the SNP trying to spin things here to have it both ways.
The SNP said that they would freeze the council tax for five years right at the start of the election campaign. Labour must have got the same feedback on the doorstep so they then changed completely to say they would also have a council tax freeze, but probable trying not to look like a straight copy of an SNP manifesto they said it would be for two years.
Why would anyone who had a council tax freeze for the four years of the last parliament, and thought that it was a good idea, and they liked it ( just about everyone I spoke to) vote against that for a party who agreed it was a good idea by proposing a council tax freeze, but would limit it to two years?
#32 by GMcM on November 8, 2011 - 9:44 am
Amnesia can be fun 🙂
Labour launched their manifesto first. The SNP were schedulled to launch a couple of days later but they postponed it a few days and then trumped the Labour offer of two years by saying they would give 5 years.
The re-wrote their manifesto in those extra days just to out-do Labour. It was a cheap trick to bribe the voters and it worked so fair play to them. If Labour had been elected it would have been because we had performed a cheap trick by changing policy on the freeze (I wasn’t happy with that).
You may choose not to believe this but two SNP candidates in my area sent out leaflets saying they would freeze the CT for two years before Salmond panicked and offered something which is extremely damaging to our economy. Even the candidates had been briefed on the two year pledge (one of them is now in the cabinet!).
#33 by Dubbieside on November 8, 2011 - 11:14 am
Please provide a link to where the SNP stated that the council tax freeze would only be for two years.
#34 by Ken on November 8, 2011 - 12:32 pm
http://www.glasgowsnp.org/Scottish_Parliament_Election_2011/Southside/SNP_mark_Mothers_Day_with_fair_deal_for_families/
Nicola Sturgeon April 2011: “And we will do more. A re-elected SNP Government will freeze the council tax for two years, keep prescriptions free and freeze water rates for two years helping families through the tough times.”
Of course, that doesn’t equal a freeze for ONLY two years – and it was week or so before the manifesto launch.
#35 by Indy on November 8, 2011 - 11:42 am
That is really nonsense you know. The date of the manifesto launch was in candidates diaries weeks in advance.
The SNP may have held back an announcement on the 5 year council tax freeze till after Labour’s launch (though I don’t remember it that way but I could be wrong). That is just about getting better headlines.
#36 by GMcM on November 8, 2011 - 1:37 pm
So why did Alex Neil have a two year CT freeze pledge on his leaflets if everyone in the party knew about this and it was a big secret to be kept from the media etc?
You would think a cabinet Sec would have been in the loop on that one.
#37 by Jeff on November 8, 2011 - 1:53 pm
What does it matter? The SNP ended up going for a five year freeze and Labour two. If Labour thought five years was a better idea then they should have said so and if they still think two years is a better idea then they can go about arguing so in the Parliament some time soon, with evidence to back up their points.
Your objection, to borrow a footballing comparison, is a bit like complaining one team only picked its lineup because it found out how the opposition was going to play. What’s wrong with that?
#38 by GMcM on November 8, 2011 - 2:24 pm
I wasn’t the person who made the inaccurate statement to begin with. If I were to make a false statement it would be picked up on. Also my objection wasn’t about what the SNP did, they had the opportunity to out-fox the opposition and took it.
The point I was making was in response to the original comment which stated the SNP always intended a 5 year CT freeze. All I’m saying is that this is not true.
Is there something wrong with pointing out the selective (and often collective) amnesia that occurs from time to time on here? (even if it’s my own!)
I have stated before that I don’t agree with the CT freeze; I also disagreed with Labour adopting the two year freeze as I feel the money could be better spent elsewhere.
I think if someone says I’m talking nonsense I have the right to come back and explain my position.
#39 by James on November 8, 2011 - 2:26 pm
I think you’re fine, no problem here.
#40 by Jeff on November 8, 2011 - 2:29 pm
Ok, fair enough, I think I was joining a conversation half way through and got the wrong end of the stick.
Apologies.
#41 by Indy on November 8, 2011 - 3:14 pm
I don’t know, depends when he got them printed I guess – was it prior to the election because remember a 2yr council tax freeze had already been announced by j Swinney before the election was called.
They announced the 5 yr freeze during the campaign because that’s what people do when they release their manifesto – pick a big fat policy out of it to get the headlines.
Labour’s big manifesto pledge was actually that they were going to abolish youth unemployment, it wasn’t the council tax freeze at all.
But I can tell you the SNP had council tax leaflets ready to go the day of the launch, it was all planned. I don’t know who told you that the SNP re-wrote their manifesto because Labour mimicked the council tax policy but they put 2 and 2 together and got 5.
#42 by Doug Daniel on November 8, 2011 - 12:54 pm
To be honest, I don’t remember it being too far away from what GMcM is saying, although I think there is perhaps a bit of confusion as to what the SNP had actually said before the manifesto launch, and what people expected/assumed.There was a general assumption all round that the SNP would commit to a further two year freeze, hence why Labour thought they were being so clever in matching it, so when the manifesto showed a five year freeze, it took people by surprise, and that felt like the moment that the campaign took an almighty shunt towards the SNP.
However, I don’t think it was necessarily to outdo Labour (although it would be a bit strange for a political party to try to put out a worse manifesto than their opponents). There was that palaver with Labour using FOI to try to find out the advice the SNP had been given on LIT, which pretty much spoiled things for those of us who wanted LIT and didn’t really care if it would mean getting taxed a bit more than under Council Tax, since it’s a fairer tax based on income rather than some arbitrary banding. With their childish actions (and their constant use of FOI requests for petty little things is quite reminiscent of the boy in class who puts his hand up every five minutes to clype on someone), Labour made sure replacing Council Tax would be kicked not the long grass. The freeze was only ever meant to be in place until a replacement for Council Tax was found, so with no LIT in the manifesto, it stands to reason they extended the freeze instead. Again, this is an assumption and perhaps the SNP already had no intention of putting LIT in the manifesto (they may have looked at the advice given and decided it wouldn’t work), but either way, if Labour had any sense, they would have waited to see if LIT was in the manifesto before trying to rubbish it. It’s pretty basic common sense really – you don’t attack your opponent’s position before they’ve laid it out. Of course, Iain Gray has given no reason for people to think he has any common sense…
Incidentally, all manifesto pledges can be described as “bribes” if they’re giving something to the electorate. You could say Labour “bribed” the Scottish voters in 1997 by offering them a referendum on devolution. You could say Labour “bribed” low-paid workers by offering them a minimum wage. You could say Labour “bribed” people with a pledge to reform the House of Lords (although that particular one would be better described as “duped”). Alternatively, we could choose to rise above using loaded terms needlessly.
#43 by Doug Daniel on November 8, 2011 - 12:56 pm
*”into the long grass”
#44 by GMcM on November 8, 2011 - 1:46 pm
I agree, my use of the word ‘bribe’ wasn’t a particularly good one. I think it showed more of an ‘anything you can offer we can offer more’ sort of mentality. As I said, it was a great boost for the SNP at a point when Labour were still ahead in the polls, so fair play to them on that.
It’s something the SNP have to live with now and if Labour elect a Leader who can show the electorate the damage the policy is causing to local communities then it may not seem too clever in the coming years. However we have to move on from just trying to point out the negative sides of policies and move to place where we can criticise while pointing to a better alternative. That may be a new tax model or simply showing a more effective way of spending that money to help those most affected by the economic downturn.
#45 by Barbarian on November 7, 2011 - 7:40 pm
What Labour needs is simple: a leader who actually leads. They need to install discipline in the party and raise morale.
One problem Labour had is that they tried to decapitate Salmond rather than his policies. In the end they only managed one ministerial scalp, and even that was self-inflicted.
I noticed a few comments about coal etc. What counts to most voters will be having sustainable energy. Switch off the heating and lighting and see how long you stay in office.
#46 by A Cairns on November 7, 2011 - 7:41 pm
Also, Labour made an error in not supporting the SNP’s proposed supermarket tax, I actually thought that was more questionable than not supporting minimum pricing.
#47 by Allan on November 7, 2011 - 8:52 pm
I disagree with your statement that any ideot can come up with a slogan. The trick is to come up with a slogan or soundbite that just… hits a nerve. “Labour Isn’t Working”, “Tough on Crime, and Tough on the Causes of Crime”, “It’s Time” – all of their time but all captured something. Of course they were all part of a bigger… er… narative. But a good slogan has its place in political campaigning.
Labour’s problem is that it hasn’t been very good at coming up with the other stuff since… well since Jack “Do less better” McConnell.
#48 by Dubbieside on November 7, 2011 - 11:37 pm
Allan
Sound bites work.
A Mars a day helps you work rest and play, How old is that yet it is still remembered.
Does what it says on the tin. A lot of people have never used that product but I bet a lot of people could name it.
Thats why parties use advertising agencies, but some come up with “The best wee country in the world” and the sub message is “if you vote for us we will keep it that way”
#49 by Scottish republic on November 7, 2011 - 11:59 pm
“””””””””””””She couldn’t be more wrong. Scottish Labour has never needed more urgently to find and explain its narrative to the voters. Preferably in as few words as possible.”””””””””””””
First, you require a narrative.
You require a soul.
Words, written on the back of a card mean zip.
Miliband and Labour are so far right that you’re driving on the wrong side of the road but don’t seem to really care.
#50 by douglas clark on November 8, 2011 - 12:44 am
I really don’t understand this idea of ‘narrative’. My OED says that a narrative is a story. I expect that sometimes it is truthful and sometimes it is not. That is what stories are.
Is it not the case that there is no modern story left available to Labour? All their policy clothes have been usurped by the SNP. The SNP has also delivered, within a UK framework, what it can of social democracy. And they are right to do so. It is in the nature of the beast of the scottish electorate. We are almost exclusively, social democrats. Yeah, well.
An aside. I stood outside a Primary School in Glasgow with my rosette on handing out SNP fliers to people that had already made up their minds. It was Nichola Sturgeons constituency, so you know the outcome. Anyway, there was a labour leafleter too and after a while, you get bored, we talked. His politics are mine. Mine are not his because we, the SNP, are evil. I believe in most of the things they do. They go into apoplectic fits when you think it might be delivered better through an independent Scotland.
Why is that?
It strikes me that good people like my fellow leafleter have lost the plot, perhaps a long time ago. Whilst he had had some political success both here and in Holland with a firebrand socialism, the idea that Scottish nationalism was (insert swerword of choice) the only thing he wished to destroy.
I found that a bit sad. The socialists and the nationalists have genuinely common objectives with clearly different methods of delivering it.
Anyway, find a narrative that works Kirsty Connell and you may be on to something. Or not, as the case may be.
#51 by Indy on November 8, 2011 - 10:09 am
It’s not just about having a narrative, it’s about having a consistent narrative. Labour’s main problem since the SNP came to power is that they have been completely inconsistent in the positions they have taken. A very wise woman once told me that the most important thing in politics in terms of message is to avoid cognitive dissonance – that is, expecting people to believe two contradictory things at the same time. That is the mistake that Labour has made over and over again and it flows from the fact that they judge every issue in terms of how they can use it to attack the SNP rather than in terms of the issue itself.
#52 by Doug Daniel on November 8, 2011 - 12:22 pm
A perfect recent example of that cognitive dissonance, of course, would be telling people that minimum unit pricing was a bad idea because it would boost supermarket profits, whilst telling those same people that the Tesco Tax was a bad idea because it would hurt supermarket profits.
Another, more current, example would be telling people that we should use alcohol duty to increase alcohol prices instead of MUP, but also not backing the transference of alcohol duty to Holyrood so we can do just that.
Labour’s problems are far more fundamental than just finding a new “narrative”. They need to consider the point of their very existence: is it to get elected, or is it to improve people’s lives? Currently, they exist only to get elected, which they’ll do by any means necessary.
#53 by douglas clark on November 8, 2011 - 9:35 pm
Indy,
The difficulty, I would suggest, that the Labour Party has is oppositionalism.
By which I mean that solidly sensible policies – like the ones Doug Daniels mentions @ 52 – are rejected, not on the basis that they are wrong, but on the basis that they were not gestated within the Labour Party. It is this assumption that anything that is not from an internal source is beyond the pale that has made them look terminally negative. Well, terminal anyway.
My arguement here is that we have a social democratic party in Scotland. And it ain’t Labour. Labour activists really dislike that….
If you considered a Venn diagram, how much of the two parties policies would overlap? I’d hazard most of them. The wee area in the middle is the independence question. Frankly they are more hung up on that than we are. (On the basis that ‘Indy’ means what it says on the tin :-))
#54 by G. P. Walrus on November 9, 2011 - 1:04 am
Their sole consistent narrative is that there should be no further powers for Holyrood. Not, on the whole, a particularly appealing prospectus.
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