We have a contender. Maybe even two, if Ken Macintosh’s denial of denying he ever said he won’t be standing turns out, in a roundabout way, to be an intention to stand. But definitely – he has financial backers apparently! – Tom Harris MP.
If Labour changes its rules to allow an MP to stand for the post of LOLITSP (trademarked @twodoctors). Or rather Not in the Scottish Parliament. This electing a new leader malarkey may take a while yet.
But what of the Harris man? Did he set up Labour Hame as a vehicle for his ambitions? If he wanted that, he’d have kept up his own blogging venture. Where’s the stand-out opportunity for a wannabe leader in a collective that allows people to air their views, sensible and otherwise? Labour Hame – to this reader – seems to be an honest attempt to create an internet space for Labour peeps – and beyond – to have their say and posit ideas and views on the future direction of the party in Scotland. It’s not necessarily living up to its aims yet but there is some thoughtful stuff being posted.
Is he treating Scotland as sloppy seconds? Yes, he might have felt a bit sore at being overlooked for Ed’s shadow Cabinet and the switch of his attentions to Scotland may be an attempt to satisfy his ambitions but what politician didn’t have ambition? In any event, for all the SNP folk making an issue of this, they have a short memory. Didn’t the SNP insist that all its MPs stand for Holyrood in 1999? Didn’t Alex Salmond resume the leadership of the party and still stand for Westminster? Didn’t he actually lead the party while an MP and not an MSP? As I recall, it all worked out fine. If it was good enough for the SNP, why not Labour?
As someone who likes to see the best in folk – most of the time – but is still capable of tempering such idealism with the pragmatism gained from years of living and working in and around politics, here’s my take. Labour has to go into a period of thinking the unthinkable, of doing the previously undo-able if it is ever to turn its electoral fortunes around. And it needs a transitional leader to do so: could Tom Harris be that man?
Already, he seems to be gathering potential support from a wide range of sources within the movement. This would be one of his strengths, the fact that he belongs to no obvious clique or faction. Very much his own man and perhaps a bit of a loner in fraternal terms, this lack of alignment with this wing or that, might actually allow him to build the necessary coalition of votes across parliamentary groups, members and trade unions.
Tom Harris has never been an orthodox Scottish Labour MP. A Blairite when everyone else in Scotland was airbrushing the Prime Minister out of existence, he hasn’t exactly been on-message with the Scottish narrative of the last twelve years. He thinks aloud, which is refreshing actually. And means he would not shy away from putting stuff out there, realising what others still fail to come to terms with, that Labour has nothing left to lose.
Aidan outlines the purge Labour requires to perform more eloquently than I could. From his statements and blog pieces since May, Tom Harris appears to have the appetite for reform, and the challenges that brings, while others who are much more establishment Scottish Labour might not be.
He is a natural communicator, at ease on television, radio and in the world of new media. Which counts for a lot. Labour does not need a big-hitting parliamentary politician at this stage, to lead the party in an electoral contest. There ain’t one coming anytime soon. Next year’s council elections are a write-off; if they manage to end up with a similar number of councillors as 2007, it will be remarkable.
Scottish Labour needs to reform internally and renew externally over the next few years. And while there are potential electoral rewards down the line for the party, the leader who drives such change is only really awarded political plaudits with the application of hindsight. Just ask John Swinney or Neil Kinnock.
A transitional leader has different qualities from one who wins elections. He/she needs to be capable of making change happen, to be resilient, determined, with a plan and attention to detail, capable of reaching out to a range of disparate voices, particularly to reassure the fretful, of holding the jackets and allowing robust discourse but also applying discipline when and where it is needed. Keeping the core on side while jettisoning unnecessary membership baggage (if required) and creating space for new supporters. Establishing a rationale and a definitive purpose that all can unite around – actual policy comes far later. Modernisation is a big task.
Already Harris has started setting out his stall – more, much more, will be required of him, and other putative leaders. He has at least started well – first out of the blocks and acknowledging that no change is not an option. Now all we need is for Ken Macintosh to show his hand and we might even get a debate and a contest.
#1 by Aidan on August 30, 2011 - 10:31 am
I dunno, I always perceive him as quite divisive, principally because he enjoys trolling people.
He’s also heavily aligned to the uber-Blairite, anti-Gordon faction of the New Labour wing. Not sure how much that matters, but old habits and all that…
Having said that, he does “get” it about the extent of the problem and, as you point out, he’s a very good media performer in a way that Iain Gray and Andy Kerr weren’t.
I’ll stop here because I’m starting to talk myself into this idea…
#2 by James on August 30, 2011 - 11:58 am
I advise just reading your second sentence again any time you think this is a good idea.
#3 by The Burd on August 30, 2011 - 12:14 pm
Ha! Yes, there is that baggage – will be interesting to see how it plays out if a contest gets going. He is on the right of the party compared to the Scottish party generally – again will be very interesting to see what reaction that elicits from other members on the left. Still a contest, how exciting! you can tell I don’t get out much…
#4 by DougtheDug on August 30, 2011 - 10:44 am
Burd,
As far as I’m aware the rules don’t actually specify that the LOLITSP has to be an MSP. They have to be nominated by MSP’s but they could be anyone in the Labour party. Do you have a reference for the MSP only rule?
You also keep referring to a “leader” in this piece about the Scottish region of the Labour party and equating that leader to Alex Salmond, ex-labour leader Neil Kinnock and to John Swinney when he led the SNP.
Reality check. The current post is for the Labour parliamentary group leader in Holyrood. The Murphy/Boyack review may make this post more encompassing and take in a bit more control of Labour’s Scottish region but the post will never be a party leader post. At best it will be a regional manager with no control of the Labour MP’s or MEP’s in the same vein as Willie Rennie who leads the Scottish section of the Lib-Dems.
If Tom Harris’ bid is genuine and if the Murphy/Boyack review creates a new Scottish Labour region with powers equal to the Lib-Dems’ Scottish region then Tom is bidding to be Labour’s Willie Rennie.
#5 by Doug Daniel on August 30, 2011 - 11:36 am
Exactly. It’s understandable that people keep bringing up the fact that Big Eck was leader of the SNP while in Westminster and not Holyrood, but that’s exactly what he was – the leader of the entire party. Up to 2007, he was in the same position as Tony Blair, and both the SNP and Labour were in the same position in Holyrood, namely being led in the parliament by someone who was not the head of the entire party.
If Tom Harris becomes LOLITSP (or LOLNITSP, as Kate has pointed out), it will be the same as if an SNP MSP took over from Angus Robertson as leader of the SNP Westminster parliamentary group.
#6 by Aidan on August 30, 2011 - 12:30 pm
I’m really not sure I see the need for the MPs and MEPs to brought under the leadership.
They need genuine, unquestionable autonomy on devolved issues and on issues which affect Scotland (eg. the Scotland Bill) but I don’t see any practical reason why having MPs and MEPs in that structure helps. It’s surely more of a potential distraction from what matters at Holyrood?
Except, of course, to mollify the cries of “too wee”, “London Labour” etc. which shouldn’t be a pressing concern…
#7 by Doug Daniel on August 30, 2011 - 4:18 pm
“I’m really not sure I see the need for the MPs and MEPs to brought under the leadership.”
Neither do I, actually. As you say, what they are missing is genuine autonomy on devolved issues, just as the Tories and Lib Dems are. The fact is that as of now, Iain Gray is regarded as being subservient to whoever the Shadow Scottish Secretary is, who in turn is subservient to Ed Miliband. In fact to be perfectly honest, you can probably add Ed Balls and various other members of the UK shadow cabinet in there. I think most people understand/believe that the LOLITSP cannot come out with policies that are not approved by the UK party leadership first – we all know how badly it went down when Wendy Alexander tried it with the “bring it on” debacle. As a result, the LOLITSP is, as my namesake has already said, little more than a regional manager.
Whatever the current structure is going to be, if Tom Harris took whatever role it is, you will then have Ed Miliband as UK leader, followed by Ann McKechin as Scottish Secretary, followed by Tom Harris as whatever he is, and you will also have a fourth person in the chain as LOLITSP, or at least acting LOLITSP until Tom Harris decides to come to Holyrood (if indeed he does). It is going to be very confusing for people. Who is really in charge – is it the person who stands up in Holyrood every week, or is it the person who is supposed to be leader of them but sits in a different parliament, or is it Ed Miliband (the answer is, of course, option 3).
In May, no one believed for a minute that Tavish Scott, Annabel Goldie and Iain Gray were calling the shots for their parties, because no one believes that they are truly allowed to break from the UK party line. It would be like Angus Robertson trying to make on that he decides SNP policy in Westminster. But then, the SNP in Westminster don’t have to try and distance themselves from the main party’s actions, unlike the Scottish branches of the Labour, Lib Dem and Tory parties.
#8 by Indy on August 30, 2011 - 5:17 pm
If you are going to have a truly Scottish Labour Party then EVERYONE who is an elected member in Scotland needs to be in it!
Otherwise it ain’t real.
#9 by Aidan on August 31, 2011 - 11:02 am
Says you. And you’re, if you”ll forgive me, hardly unbiased or disinterested. 😉
#10 by Indy on September 1, 2011 - 7:58 am
I rather think Tom Harris is saying something similar when he argues that Labour needs to put Scotland first and the Labour Party second.
Certainly in the case of MEPs – all Scottish MEPs are elected to represent the whole of Scotland. Scotland is their constituency. If they don’t put representing the interests of Scotland first they are quite simply not doing their job. Even from a unionist perspective that would be the case. So they should be accountable to their members in Scotland first and foremost, not to a wider UK party.
And in the case of MPs if they don’t see it as their job to stand up for Scotland in Westminster could you tell me precisely what their job is?
#11 by Don McC on August 30, 2011 - 5:22 pm
I think, then, that you should revisit the footage from the Scotland Bill debate at Westminster. How can a Scottish Labour leader try to change anything about Labour’s negative image if he can’t control Scottish MPs?
#12 by DougtheDug on August 30, 2011 - 12:48 pm
“…he (Alex Salmond) was in the same position as Tony Blair, and both the SNP and Labour were in the same position in Holyrood, namely being led in the parliament by someone who was not the head of the entire party.”
That’s a good point Doug, I’ve never thought of it that way before.
I’ve never worked out why the Parliamentary group leaders for Labour and the Conservatives and the Lib-Dem Scottish regional manager are always equated to the SNP party leader in articles such as this.
Is it because there is an unquestioning and uncritical belief in the constant media references to the Scottish Labour/Conservative/Lib-Dem party leader or is it some form of Scottish cringe where because Alex is in Scotland he must have the status as a regional leader and not be at the same status as party leaders in London such as Milliband, Clegg and Cameron?
#13 by Zoe Smith on August 30, 2011 - 11:56 am
huh?
Well let’s spice this competition up a bit then- Aidan you can be my deputy……..
#14 by DougtheDug on August 30, 2011 - 12:14 pm
The Labour Party Rule Book 2010, Chapter 4, Elections of national
officers of the party and national committees, para 7.
7. Election of leaders of the Labour groups in the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly
A. The leader of the Labour group in the Scottish Parliament and the leader of the Welsh Assembly shall be elected according to the rules framework for the leader and deputy leader of the party set out in Chapter 4 B.2 above, subject to any guidelines issued by the NEC from time to time.
Nothing in there says they have to be a serving MSP. Go for it Zoe and Aidan.
#15 by Aidan on August 30, 2011 - 12:25 pm
Aye aye, cap’n!
#16 by CassiusClaymore on August 30, 2011 - 4:26 pm
Tom Harris is more or less unknown outside the political bubble. Surely he can’t be that much of a star – he never really achieved any seniority or position of importance whilst Labour were in power. Having said that, I don’t know if any of the MSPs are particularly well known either.
I mean, I’m really interested in politics and, when someone mentioned Kezia Dugdale MSP and John Park MSP on the other thread, I had to google them.
What about David Stewart MSP? I heard him speak at something once, and was quite impressed. He seemed like a pretty clever guy with real-world experience. Or Angus McKay? Could you get him back in? He’s a pretty bright guy as I recall. Not that either of those are household names, to be fair.
CC
#17 by Indy on August 30, 2011 - 5:33 pm
I was going to make that point but you beat me to it. Outside of the twitterati who really knows who Tom Harris is? The highest position he ever reached was junior transport minister. So he would have a hard job to start with building his profile.
Not that being a Westminster MP would necessarily be a handicap in that respect – let’s face it, the Scottish Parliament is probably going to be a rather dull place due to the Scottish Government having such a large majority. No more knife edge votes – and does anyone really think that FMQs can continue in the same way? I think it will have to be reformed to become more substantive and worthy. But, for the political meeja, that will make FMQs more dull. Whatever the case, the real battles over the next 5 years will not be fought in the chamber of the Scottish Parliament.
So potentially there could be some advantages to a Scottish Labour leader being based in Westminster. Being free of the Holyrood grind would give him more time for a start. And for a second there could be a chance there to challenge the SNP on its own ground – that of standing up for Scotland.
But then, if we look at what must happen if that is to be done effectively, it would mean that Tom Harris – or any other MP who was elected to the role – would need to become leader of the Scottish Labour Party in Westminster as well. And that’s an interesting point – because is there even such a thing as a Scottish Labour Group at Westminster or are they wholly subsumed into the UK Group. And would other high profile Scottish MPs be willing to accept the leadership of Tom Harris (or whoever else) in Westminster as well as in Scotland?
Or do they have the same mindset that Aidan appears to have whereby the Scottish Labour Party only exists in the context of devolved matters but not when it comes to the UK or European context?
More questions than answers I feel.
#18 by An Duine Gruamach on August 31, 2011 - 11:20 am
Cassisus – I agree that none of those people are exactly household names, but everyone has to start somewhere. Hard for someone my age to believe, but there was also a time when nobody had heard of Salmond. They have just under five years to build their public profile (assuming they make it to the next campaign).
Having said that, Iain Gray never managed to build much of a public profile.
#19 by CassiusClaymore on August 30, 2011 - 4:29 pm
To any leadership candidate reading – remember not to accept illegal overseas donations, then write a thank you letter to his overseas address! It doesn’t end well.
CC
#20 by Allan on August 30, 2011 - 6:51 pm
“Now all we need is for Ken Macintosh to show his hand and we might even get a debate and a contest.”
Contest – yes. Debate – errr… no. Both MacIntosh and Harris are from similar wings of Labour, and Diane Abbott apart does Scotland really want a re-run of the Labour leadership contest where 80% of the candidates pretty much agreed on everything.
Maybe that’s what “Scottish” Labour really needs, someone like Abbott from leftfield to articulate the views of the left of the party, assuming that Dewar and Rosemary McKenna didn’t totaly purge that wing of the party in 1999. Sorry but two Blairites don’t represent enough of a debate for me.
#21 by Barbarian on August 30, 2011 - 7:26 pm
The big problem with Holyrood is that the majority of MSPs are unknown, sometimes even within their constituencies, and this is especially true for List MSPs.
Bar a few big names in the SNP ranks, most people out there do not have a scoobie who else makes up the ranks. One or two have made themselves known, albeit in a controversial fashion (one resulting in a smacked bottom).
Whoever comes in has to be allowed to make changes, otherwise they will be running round in circles.
Labour also needs to be effective in opposition as well. There will be some SNP bills/policies that will need a bit of a slapping down, as with any government. A poor opposition can actually be damaging for a governing party in the long run.
#22 by Indy on August 31, 2011 - 7:54 am
It has always been the case that backbench MSPs and indeed MPs have been largely unknown.
It’s when the front benchers are unknown that parties have a problem!