It is now over a month since the Scottish Parliament election which brought a majority SNP Government and the resignations of three party leaders. Â Willie Rennie has succeeded Tavish Scott for the Liberal Democrats (though with only 5 MSPs, there was a small pool of potential leaders and no stomach for a fight) but Iain Gray and Annabel Goldie remain in place as “lame duck” leaders until such time as reviews are completed and leadership elections are held. Â I’m sure we’ll get to the Labour leadership contest in time, but I’m going to focus on the Conservative contest for the moment.
The first thing is, when will it be? Â And the answer is… well, we don’t know. Â If the party are happy to conduct it under the old rules (pre-Sanderson review – pdf here) then the election could go ahead at any point. Â But should the party want to adopt the recommendations from the Sanderson review, it would have to wait until the review is okayed by its Scottish conference in September. Â Assuming that goes okay, the leadership election would subsequently take about 6-8 weeks for nominations, postal ballots to be returned etc… Â Thus Annabel Goldie resigned on 7 May 2011 and will likely remain leader until late October at the earliest. Â That strikes me as a strange situation.
Nevertheless, let’s have a look at the likely candidates.
In May’s election, the Scottish Conservatives elected 15 MSPs. Â Taking Annabel Goldie out of the equation (as she’s standing down) there are 14 potential replacements. Â Of those, we can probably rule out Alex Fergusson, Jamie McGrigor, Nanette Milne and Mary Scanlon who are older than auntie Annabel, as well as former leader David McLetchie, Margaret Mitchell and John Scott who are just slightly younger. Â Each of those noted are still able politicians, don’t get me wrong – I don’t want to be accused of ageism here – but I suspect that if Annabel Goldie is considering standing down, none of them would seriously consider stepping into her shoes.
So that reduces the field by seven. Â Of those remaining, three (Gavin Brown, Ruth Davidson and John Lamont) are in their thirties, two are in their forties (Murdo Fraser and Alex Johnstone) and two are in their fifties (Jackson Carlaw and Liz Smith). Â I haven’t heard anything suggesting Alex Johnstone or Liz Smith are considering bids for to be leader, while Gavin Brown is a talent, and I fully expect him to be leader of the Scottish Tories one day, I don’t think it will be this time around. Â Indeed, he may well decide that the next leader will have to be the reformer, and the best time to be leader will be after them. Â With that in mind, that leaves four candidates whom the media have mentioned in connection with the job:
Murdo Fraser – probably the front-runner at the moment, the Scottish Tories’s deputy leader is expected by most to step up to the top job after a 6 year apprenticeship. Â At 45, he’s had the experience of being in the parliament for ten years already and is an able debater.
Jackson Carlaw – was being heavily touted pre-election but let a notional Tory majority of 3,500 in Eastwood fall to Labour’s Ken Macintosh. Â Also carries past baggage as deputy chair of the party and some question marks with regards to his financial background. Â Sources say he has been trawling for votes already though, so will be interesting to see how that pans out. Â I think if he had won Eastwood he’d have had a better chance, but as it is I think he’s fallen back a little.
John Lamont – at thirty-five, he’d be young for the position, but he won a borders constituency seat in 2007 and now holds the biggest non-SNP majority at Holyrood. Â He has a large following in the borders and – with Derek Brownlee out of the picture – would be the youthful face of the Scottish Tories. Â I’m not sure how much the wider party would support him, but if he can get support from outwith his own backyard (which I understand is quite a large pool of support anyway) he might well be the candidate to beat.
Ruth Davidson – the Scottish Tories’ only new MSP and at thirty-two, their youngest. Â But don’t let that fool you. Â She’d be a dark horse, but if she decided to stand, it could blow the contest wide open. Â She’d get plenty of support from the younger, more pragmatic generation of Tories in Scotland and would be a very different prospect to the other three. Â A wild card, to be sure, but one that make the contest more exciting.
I think if we were considering MPs and MEPs as well (ED – it wouldn’t take that long, there are only 2 names in those categories…) Struan Stevenson would get a mention, but it’d be near impossible for him to lead the party from Brussels. Â Which, for me, makes the contest between the aforementioned four.
If I was a betting man (which I am occasionally), I’d probably shun the short odds on Murdo Fraser and instead take the slightly less fancied John Lamont. Â I mean, it’ll probably be Murdo… but I do have a sneaky feeling that John Lamont might just have the support. Â But he’d also be pretty young to lead them. Â Perhaps he’ll sit it out and wait for the next time as well.
What do we think? Â Could Jackson Carlaw or Ruth Davidson beat either of them to it? Â Or will it be a safe handover from Annabel to Murdo?
#1 by Dr Bill Reynolds on June 17, 2011 - 11:36 am
Interesting that there are still no comments on this one.Probably suggests that not a lot of people care who leads the tories in the Scottish parliament? I dont support them but for what it is worth,I suggest that they should choose Murdo Fraser.He is their best choice but I don’t think this will help them very much,this side of independence or (minimally) full fiscal autonomy.
#2 by Malc on June 17, 2011 - 11:42 am
Funny Bill, the same thought just went through my head! No one cares about the Tories when there are discussions about sovereignty to be had.
I’m pretty sure it will be Murdo… but I understand John Lamont does have a lot of support, and if he doesn’t decide to stand, it will be interesting to see where his support goes…
#3 by Scott on June 17, 2011 - 2:56 pm
Murdo is of course a full fiscal autonomy man – having published a pamphlet on that in late 90s (if I recall correctly). May be more interesting constitutionally than folk expect.
#4 by Malc on June 17, 2011 - 3:16 pm
I agree – have heard similar rumblings about the line he might take were he leader…
#5 by James on June 17, 2011 - 11:59 am
Carlaw is a climate change denier, which wouldn’t be very Cameroon, and Lamont is younger than me so clearly can’t lead the Tory party. I’m not convinced the party could be led by Ruth, and still think Gavin might stand. But yes, the top tip has to be AC/DC fan Murdo Fraser.
#6 by Jeff on June 17, 2011 - 12:02 pm
Good one Malc. I don’t think I would take such an ageist approach to proceedings but I see where you’re coming from. I also think you’re being a bit harsh on Jackson Carlaw. Ok, he didn’t win his Eastwood seat but Goldie finished 3rd in Renfrewshire after coming 2nd in 2007 and I daresay Eastwood’s a trickier seat to win than a lovely little borders area that Lamont has to contend with.
I do have similar thoughts to you about Murdo Fraser though and think he might get passed over this time, simply for being too obvious a choice and, I’m afraid, a bit dull. If Carlaw or Lamont really, really want it, I think either of them will get it.
#7 by Malc on June 17, 2011 - 12:19 pm
Its not just that Carlaw didn’t win the seat. Its that he held a notional majority of 3,500 and didn’t win the seat. Lamont won the seat from Euan Robson in 2007 and (I think) actually increased his majority on a night when Tory votes were difficult to come by. The fact that Annabel decided to step down after falling from second to third in the seat probably steps on your point a little… though I grant you that’s perhaps just one of the reasons she stood down. JC has been trawling for votes though, and if he can convince Lamont not to stand (and to back him over Murdo), it will be a very interesting fight.
#8 by Jeff on June 17, 2011 - 12:51 pm
If party leaders were decided on swings at elections, then Rob Gibson would be the next leader of the SNP.
And I just don’t think Carlaw’s chances and Lamont’s chances at the last election are comparable. Being a Lib Dem at precisely the wrong time, Euan Robson’s vote fell apart (he finished 3rd) while Ken MacIntosh undoubtedly benefitted from tactical voting given the Labour share of the vote went up 9.7%.
What you say about JC “trawling” for votes is interesting and comes back to who wants it more. JL stood for Westminster last year so is he suddenly going to want to be leader of the Holyrood group 12-18 months later? I don’t see it.
I’m off to check odds on Jackson Carlaw; I think he might just do it you know…
#9 by Malc on June 17, 2011 - 1:22 pm
I never said swings decided who the leader would be. I’m simply pointing out that parties prefer winners to losers, which seems a pretty logical position.
Carlaw was pretty much on par with Murdo pre-election (given rumours) but I think the fact that he didn’t win the seat will have hurt him. You clearly disagree – and neither of us are particularly close to the centre of Scottish Tory HQ, so I suspect we’ll have to wait and see what the chat is.
I think Murdo will win. Have I said that already?
#10 by AliMiller on June 18, 2011 - 2:06 pm
I definitely agree with Malc on this one, notionally losing Eastwood has put Carlaw back significantly. The Tories have an immense problem with being tactically voted against in any constituency they are strong in. In constituencies like Moray, Aberdeenshire West, Perthshire North, Angus North ect – which the Tories used to hold for Westminister, there is a massive SNP majority because of natural SNP supporters + labour tactical voters. This produces such a large share of the vote that despite the Tories being strong in these seats they have no chance of success.
Therefore, the Tories must change their image and substance so that they don’t inspire people to vote against them tactically with as much fervor as they do now. In Eastwood, despite the national SNP strength and the Labour weakness, despite a large notional majority, Ken McIntosh pulled though. What this says about Carlaw is that people across the political spectrum looked at Carlaw, and did not like what they saw. (Probably) SNP voters switched over to Labour to ensure he didn’t win, and while the Tories performed not-so-well nationally, it says something about Carlaw that he did not win: he is someone who unites divided voters against him. The Tories need a leader who voters a willing to endorse, and if Carlaw cant do that despite such favourable circumstances in his own back yard then they would have no hope nationally were he leader.
The Tories need someone who is seen as acceptable and likeable by a large part of the public. Im sure Annabell went down a storm at the Morningside Knitting Club but her manner – which those in the political class find witty and like – provokes instant hostility (in my view) among the “common person”. She was a typical Condescending Tory.
I think there is a militay maxim “divide and conquer”, well while the Tories voting enemies are so united they will make no electoral progress on a constituency level.
#11 by Malc on June 18, 2011 - 3:57 pm
I’m not convinced SNP voters in Eastwood supported Macintosh. Why would they? Wouldn’t it be preferable for them (pre-“landslide”) to have another Tory to vote for their budgets than a Labour MSP who would vote against? Remember, this is when minority government looked the likely outcome. For me, that doesn’t make sense.
A more likely scenario for me is that Ken Macintosh was (and is) popular locally. People liked him as their MSP and voted for him again. I guess if Carlaw had been a popular list MSP, he may have won through against the incumbent (it happened a lot for the SNP) but probably he wasn’t that popular among the people – which is a blow to any candidate’s thoughts if he wants to be leader…
#12 by John Ruddy on June 18, 2011 - 10:34 pm
Tory share of the vote went up in Angus North.
#13 by AliMiller on June 19, 2011 - 4:09 pm
Up 3.1 to 25.6%. Thats a reaonable share of the vote but as long as voters are so repelled by them that they are driven to vote tactically against them then they will struggle to mount a dangerous challenge.
#14 by Daniel J on June 17, 2011 - 12:23 pm
I’ll admit I do find it hard to care very much. My only regret is that they still have so many MSPs!
#15 by Daniel J on June 17, 2011 - 12:49 pm
But yes, Murdo Fraser would appear to be the best and most likely choice/
#16 by A Brown on June 17, 2011 - 2:01 pm
Clearly it is between Murdo Fraser and John Lamont although Ruth Davidson might make a reasonable deputy leader.
Carlaw strikes me as a dud.
#17 by Malc on June 17, 2011 - 2:11 pm
“Clearly”?
Jeff doesn’t think so!
#18 by A Brown on June 17, 2011 - 2:21 pm
Carlaw’s response to the snow on the roads was quite good on newsnicht that one time but he generally doesn’t strike me as effective enough.
I’m not a conservative supporter but there does have to be some proper opposition to the SNP in parliament.
#19 by Lost Highlander on June 17, 2011 - 3:56 pm
Daniel J There is still a degree of people in Scotland who would describe themselves as conservative supporters and historically the Conservatives would have won large swathes of Scotland.
But that was pre poll tax and the general feeling that the Conservatives have not changed and I wonder just how far they will have to go to detoxify themselves and if that means as a start getting rid of the Conservatives out of there name.
#20 by An Duine Gruamach on June 17, 2011 - 7:30 pm
Well, Mary Scanlon tried that in the Moray by-election in 2006…
#21 by Daniel J on June 17, 2011 - 8:11 pm
I’m well aware of historic support in the Unionists and Conservatives in Scotland. Am I right in thinking that the SNP have turned lots of formerly Conservative areas yellow? I think post independence party politics in Scotland *could* be fascinating with all the socially and economic conservatives hidden in the SNP…
#22 by BM on June 20, 2011 - 12:50 pm
Are the social and economic conservatives hidden within the SNP? Or is it simply that people who voted for other parties (Labour, Liberal, SDP) moved to the SNP as a way of keeping the Tories out?
#23 by Dean MacKinnon-Thomson on June 17, 2011 - 7:37 pm
Murdo has the east coast vote sown up. He can bag them, he has no rival there.
On the west, Jackson would have Glasgow sown up if he stood (but it simply isn’t enough to win in a straight east-west coast bust up). Thus it is the borders which will act as king-maker.
And Jackson will NOT get borders voters, as Mundell does not get on (putting it nicely) with Jackson.
I reckon Murdo will win it, I can’t see how the numbers can enable anyone else to win unless Lamont stands, and Jackson does not.
#24 by Malc on June 17, 2011 - 7:50 pm
That’s kind of the way I see it. I don’t think Carlaw can win in a straight fight against Murdo. If you guys want someone other than Murdo, it’ll have to be Lamont. But that’s if he is going to stand…
#25 by NoOffenceAlan on June 17, 2011 - 9:44 pm
Does Lamont’s (failed) attempt to leave Holyrood by standing for Westminster in 2010 count against him?
Is he that committed to Holyrood?
#26 by Ben Achie on June 17, 2011 - 10:03 pm
The Tories desperately need fresh blood, and have lacked a healthy turnover in MSPs. Murdo Fraser would be the kiss of death for any hopes they may entertain of a revival (so I hope he wins). Jackson Carlaw just doesn’t seem to stack up in that he has made no notable impact on the public. The healthiest outcome has to be Lamont/Davidson, and if I were them I would run on a joint ticket.
#27 by Lost Highlander on June 18, 2011 - 8:55 am
You are probably right that a Lamont/Davidson ticket would be best for the Conservatives.
At least with these two when the Poll tax gets mentioned it will be said sorry but I wasnae born then.
And maybe they can change that party.
#28 by Angus McLellan on June 18, 2011 - 1:46 pm
The two great mysteries of modern Scottish politics seem to be the inability of the Tories to mobilize the substantial right of centre electorate and the contrasting success of Labour in maintaining its dominance at Westminster elections in the face of a steady decline in support at Holyrood and in local government. I can’t see any reason why these odd states of affairs should continue indefinitely, but only time will tell.
Anyway, to business. I ran out of fingers, but I think the right answer is “at the school then” rather than “not born yet”. A Lamont/Davidson ticket and the acceptance that it will take a while to turn things around – after all, it took decades for the party to get where it is now – does seem to be the only option that might reverse the decline. There’s plainly plenty of room for a right of centre party in Scottish politics, but rightly or wrongly the Conservatives bear the mark of Cain. Labour managed to overcome the failures of the 1970s, eventually, so there’s always hope.
The underlying political landscape isn’t all that unfavourable. Social attitudes surveys seem to show that Scotland is not a great deal more “left wing” than England. The results of the PWC “juries” on public spending discussed on Newsnight this week also looked interesting. Although there was reportedly strong support for maintaining core services, and if need be for raising taxes to meet the desired standards, there was also support for cutting or charging for non-core services to fund the core. But as we’ve seen south of the border, “the NHS is safe in our hands” can be a hard message to sell for the Conservatives.
Labour and the SNP have boxed themselves into a corner on public spending, and may be well out of step with the public, so there is room for the Tories, or even the LibDems, to occupy Jack’s widely mocked “doing less, better” position. In politics, as in comedy, timing matters.
#29 by Dean MacKinnon-Thomson on June 18, 2011 - 2:55 pm
They are both progressive, moderate and ambitious yes. BUT Murdo is a committed fiscal autonomist. He has the policies and face-recognition to change the party, I doubt that Lamont/Davidson would enjoy likewise.
#30 by Alex Buchan on June 18, 2011 - 8:04 pm
If Murdo is a committed fiscal autonomist would he be prepared to take up the challenge that Alex Salmond seemed to lay down in his latest comments on the referendum as reported in the Scotsman of June10th:
Mr Salmond said: “We have no interest in doing anything other than making a clear question so that people can vote yes or no. The question as to whether there is a second proposition which could also be put, I have left open because I do know that there is a substantial body of opinion in Scotland which says that is an option. But it is not being articulated as a political party at the moment. But sometimes there are options that have a legitimacy which doesn’t necessarily at any one point in time get reflected by a political party.”
What strikes me as the most peculiar thing in the whole of Scottish political reporting is that nobody is asking what Salmond could possibly mean by this convoluted phraseology. The Scotsman article confounded things by not only failing to delve into who was supposed to bring such a third option into play but by also rolling Devo-max and Indy-lite up together into one and the same thing. It’s not rocket science, the difference is in the name: devo = MPs at Westminster; Indy = no MPs at Westminster, hardly a minor difference.
Is there any possibility someone like Murdo could get on-board on the referendum and cut a deal with Salmond on including Devo-max. This could possibly be the Tories quickest route back to being in contention as it would not only kill dead their main problem of being seen as an anti-change branch outfit of Westminster, but also by being identified with the position that commands most consistent support in social attitude surveys and opinion polls they could come out of the referendum as the party carrying most support for its position. I can’t see any of the Westminster parties agreeing so would this kill off any such move or could Murdo cut his teeth by standing up to Dave and Westminster.
#31 by A Brown on June 19, 2011 - 6:56 pm
Indeed, I’m still puzzled about the referendum and whether it will be a multi option one or two separate questions like in 1999. How will confusion be avoided?
#32 by Alex Buchan on June 18, 2011 - 9:52 pm
I’ve remebered Murdo’s agitation on polling night over the prospect of a independence referendum leading him to call on the night for the UK government to take the issue out of the hands of the SNP, so my previous suggestion is clearly wide of the mark.
When you say a committed fiscal autonomists do you mean he is committed to Calman or to full fiscal autonomy as I understand others Tories like Brian Monteith are.
#33 by Scottish republic on June 18, 2011 - 10:24 pm
Speaking of Tory Leaders : Ed Milliband, read and enjoy…
From Newsnetscotland
UK Labour Leader Ed Miliband is being inspired by Mrs Thatcher, the Tory Prime Minister who decimated industry in Scotland, plunging communities such as Inverclyde into economic decline. The Times newspaper describes how Mr Miliband is being inspired by Margaret Thatcher. Just one day after he launched Labour’s campaign for the Inverclyde by election, Mr Miliband’s aides said he was impressed by the “boldness” of Mrs Thatcher’s plans and their “depth and scale” saying she had a “compelling narrative” about what was wrong with Britain.
Commenting, SNP Chief Whip, Stewart Hosie MP who is campaigning for Anne McLaughlin in Inverclyde today said:
“The SNP is fighting for jobs and opportunities for Scotland and Inverclyde’s young people whilst Labour is cosying up to the Tories.
“Voters in Inverclyde know the damage Thatcher’s plans did to this area as industry shut down and unemployment rose. Labour did nothing to stop the damage the Tories did in the 1980s and they are in coalition with them now.
“It will come as no surprise to people in Inverclyde that Labour are looking to the Tories for inspiration when they have selected a by-election candidate who is in coalition with the Tories every day.
You may now go and vomit.
#34 by A Brown on June 19, 2011 - 6:53 pm
Scottish Republic
Not sure this’ll have any effect. All politicians have said favourable things about Thatcher, even Salmond in 2008 about her economic policies.
#35 by Peter Lynch on June 20, 2011 - 1:55 pm
And, if I can throw something more into the mix here…Sanderson actually sought to create an overall Tory leader in Scotland: meaning leader of MSPs, MPs (sic), ordinary members councillors, etc. So the new leader could be a councillor, Lord Forsyth, ordinary party member or MSP. Now, it’s hard to imagine this will not be a MSP but, in any case, the MSP group at Holyrood will still require a leader or at least a FM designate for FMQs. It might mean the Scottish leader is the MSP leader too – which will mean extra busy running the party across Scotland and doing MSP/leader work in Holyrood.
Confusing? Difficult? Looks like it.
#36 by Malc on June 20, 2011 - 2:16 pm
Sounds like there’s a journal article in that…