Glasgow, the reddest of red regions and the primary base of Labour resources, home to one Parliament co-convener, the Deputy First Minister and Smeato. The Glasgow Airport hero might not be standing in this election but that doesn’t mean that there won’t be instances of people ‘getting banjoed’ on May 6th either in celebration or defeat, (but both metaphorically, of course).
Anyway, obligatory preamble over, let’s get a few easy ones out of the way first:
Glasgow Anniesland/Maryhill & Springburn/Pollok/Provan/Rutherglen/Shettleston – I don’t care what the SNP canvass returns say or what ‘amazing feedback we’re seeing on the streets’, these are all easy Labour holds. Welcome back to Holyrood Bill Butler, Patricia Ferguson, Johann Lamont, Paul Martin, James Kelly & Frank McAveety.
So, where does that leave us:
Glasgow Cathcart – I must admit that I did not realise that this seat is as close as it is between incumbent Charlie Gordon (Labour) and challenger James Dornan (SNP). The 2007 majority was 2,189 which was reduced to 1,852 after boundary changes, that’s on a turnout of c22,000. Putting the voteshare for SNP and Labour on a level pegging actually increases the forecast winning majority to 2,222, due to the fact that the SNP won slightly more votes than Labour overall in 2007. The SNP will be in with a shout of taking this if they continue to creep up in the polls but I don’t see this being within the Nats’ reach this time. Labour hold – Charlie Gordon
Glasgow Kelvin – In many ways it is a real shame that the Greens have decided not to stand in this constituency as they pulled off an impressive 3rd place in 2007 and if they do aspire to becoming a major party (and getting invited along to leader debates) then they need to start bedding in some 3rd place and 2nd place finishes to show they are going places. I suppose the Greens know better than any of us that money doesn’t grow on trees and the party can’t afford lost deposit after lost deposit. The upside of all of this, of course, is that the challenge to Labour’s dominance of this constituency is not as split as it might have otherwise been. Sandra White has a real chance for the SNP against Pauline McNeill who has been MSP here for 12 years. So much depends on where the 5,700 votes for the Lib Dems and Greens will fall and what the decisive issues will be for those people from prior year. Nuclear power may even prove to be the key dividing line which one would think would fall in the SNP’s favour.
I really am quite torn so I shall follow what my model is saying and push out an argument that a personal vote for the incumbent will be a factor, just for good measure. Labour hold – Pauline McNeill
Glasgow Southside – If the SNP lose this seat, they surely will not win the most number of seats in Scotland. That is not to say that if they ‘do’ win the seat, that they will emerge as the largest party but there is no doubt that this is a key contest. Further evidence comes in the shape of The Straight Choice as Glasgow Southside is one of the few Scottish constituencies that has seen a real blitz of campaign leaflets over the past week or two. I get the impression that Labour challenger Stephen Curran is throwing himself into this contest with gusto but if there is any replacement for being the Deputy First Minister then it is surely to be seen as competent, efficient, likeable and human, qualities that Nicola Sturgeon has in spades. By a couple of thousands votes, I have this down as a comfortable SNP Hold – Nicola Sturgeon
So, the constituency result looks set to be SNP – 1, Labour – 8 (with +/- 1 potential for both figures)
Before ploughing on to work out the regional seats, it is worth considering the Socialists and George Galloway individually, as applying national trends does not really apply to these region-specific considerations.
It is a subjective call at this stage really and he may well prove to be the West’s Margo MacDonald but, for me, George Galloway will not win a seat at Holyrood. The main factor that results in that prediction is the mere fact that George has been gallivanting around anywhere but Glasgow for the past four years so it seems a bit churlish of the man to expect to be able to walk into a cushy job in the Scottish Parliament after being largely rebuffed everywhere else. George is a great orator and a great showman, but I suspect his contribution at the Scottish Parliament in terms of substance would be minimal, and the people of Glasgow will by and large realise that when considering who to vote for. Indeed, the lack of party machine may even mean that George barely registers in voters’ minds.
For the Scottish Socialist Party, despite Tommy Sheridan not standing, I suspect that the presence of George Galloway will hamper their voteshare to the extent that Frances Curran will miss out on a seat once more. The SSP finished behind the BNP, the SCCUP, the Scottish Christians, Socialist Labour and Christian Peoples party last time. They will improve on that lowly position, but I don’t see them catapulting themselves into Holyrood this year I’m afraid.
Based on a projected national voteshare of Lab – 35%, SNP – 35%, Con – 14%, LD – 8% & Green – 5%, the result that I do expect is the following:
1 – SNP (Humza Yousaf)
2 – SNP (Bob Doris)
3 – SNP (Sandra White)
4 – Con (Ruth Davidson)
5 – Grn (Patrick Harvie)
6 – SNP (Sid Khan)
7 – Labour (Hanzala Malik)
8 – SNP (James Dornan)
NB – SNP miss out on the 7th seat by 17 votes, the Lib Dems miss out on the 7th seat by 53 votes.
That 7th seat is probably not the result that many were expecting, particularly those of the staunch belief that Labour just don’t win list MSPs in Glasgow, so allow me to explain.
The region of Glasgow has one less seat this time around after the boundary changes, so the Labour vote is being divided by 9 in the d’hondt allocation (8 FPTP wins + 1) rather than the 10 from 2007. This has the effect of increasing their ‘votes/divisor’ figure by around 1,000 which is a significant amount when it comes to the dogfight for the 7th seat.
Further to this, the Lib Dem vote has collapsed and as a result the Labour regional voteshare has increased higher than it was in 2010. The SNP voteshare has increased higher than 2010 also but there is a watermark at which, in the absence of a meaningful challenge from a third party, that Labour will start taking regional seats. That watermark appears to be 35% national voteshare.
Now, I am just faithfully following what the polls are saying here and my personal view is that, after three terms with zero Glasgow list Labour MSPs, there will be far too many Labour voters giving their second votes to George Galloway, Socialists, Greens and even the SNP for Labour to get a look-in on this seventh seat but, well, all I’m saying is don’t be too surprised if a dramatic snatching of that last spot is the difference between who is the largest party at Holyrood.
Tactical voting considerations
For the SNP, like so many other regions now that they are either the incumbents or the main challengers, there are none. Irrespective of what constituency a Glasgow voter is in, 1st vote – SNP and 2nd vote – SNP are the only options if the primary objectives for this election are to see the SNP emerge as the largest party and Alex Salmond emerge as First Minister.
For the Greens, it is quite clear that the extent of their ambitions is 1 MSP from this region, unless something really dramatic happens in the national polls. It is also clear that Labour winning all FPTP seats will reduce Patrick Harvie’s chances of being re-elected so a first vote for the SNP should be considered in Southside, Kelvin and perhaps even Cathcart.
The primary tactical voting consideration for the Greens though is to try to induce would-be Labour voters to vote Green in order to reduce the SNP’s chances of maximising its number of regional MSPs here. Just don’t tell any Glaswegians that, actually, there is a chance of a Labour list MSP here after all!
(Consolidated results to follow)
#1 by Paul on April 8, 2011 - 9:30 am
I hope you right on this, and Galloway features nowhere near Holyrood next term.
Pleasing to see Patrick 5th on the list, not scraping at 7th – But how close is it really?
Anyone finishing 3rd can’t lose their deposit, can they? Why not 1 or 2 constituency challenges?
#2 by Jeff on April 8, 2011 - 9:52 am
Why not indeed, I don’t know what the answer to that is Paul. I suspect it is money-related, even if they would have saved their deposit in this specific constituency. Alternatively, it could just be a question of survival, with Patrick 7th on the list last time. Is there a risk that having constituency candidates actually reduces ones chances of winning second votes?
Either way, it’s a shame.
For Patrick, I only gave the Greens 5% national voteshare (I am hoping they’ll do better than this) and that gave the Greens 12,359 list votes. The 7th seat was won with 9,768 votes so ‘reasonably’ comfortable. Keep in mind that the figures I used were 35% for Lab/SNP which is, if anything, probably quite high. I still see Galloway and Socialists as the biggest threat to the Greens in Glasgow and I don’t make that to be too much of a threat at that.
#3 by Daniel J on April 8, 2011 - 1:14 pm
I think you’re right re: Greens. I believe they decided to focus on getting PH re-elected. Got to say I love how low the threshold is for list seats in Glasgow.. it’s about 12-15,000 up here!
#4 by Jeff on April 8, 2011 - 1:24 pm
Might be to do with the lower number of voters. Glasgow had ~190,000 while North East had ~250,000, based on 2007 data.
#5 by Malc on April 8, 2011 - 1:29 pm
Yep – you needed 15,000+ to get elected 7th in Lothians and in West in 2007, but only 10,500 in Glasgow and H&I. I mentioned it before…
#6 by Malc on April 8, 2011 - 9:36 am
It is quite possible for a party to finish third and lose its deposit, though unlikely. You’d be looking at the top two parties taking over 92% of the vote combined for that to happen. Possible… but unlikely.
#7 by Top Tory Aide on April 8, 2011 - 9:53 am
Blimey a Labour list MSP in Glasgow…
Good to see a Tory returned, higher than last time around if am not mistaken too.
#8 by Lallands Peat Worrier on April 8, 2011 - 10:11 am
Being a Glasgow voter, I’ve kept an eye most closely on this region, for obvious reasons. I’m a little perplexed by one aspect of your calculations, Jeff. You have a projected regional voteshare of:
Labour – 35%, SNP – 35%, Con – 14%, LD – 8% & Green – 5%,
Yet you have the Liberals taking no seats, and the Greens one, on a projected voteshare of three points higher than wur Greenie chums.
Something amiss?
#9 by Malc on April 8, 2011 - 10:17 am
I’ll let Jeff explain, but the regional vote share is actually the national poll figure. In actual fact, if you consider the ratio to which the parties polled on the regional vote in Glasgow compared to their national vote share in 2007, the figures are likely quite different – and this is the figure we’ve been working with. Jeff will give the exact figures, but I imagine the Greens’ share of the Glasgow vote is higher than their national figure, whereas the Lib Dem share is lower. Jeff?
#10 by Jeff on April 8, 2011 - 10:24 am
Ah, yes, I don’t think I’m very good at explaining what I’m doing here with these voteshares for each region. The issue is that those %ages are national voteshare, not regional.
Basically, I take the number of votes that each of the parties received in Glasgow in 2007, divide them by the national voteshare for the relevant party in 2007 and then multiply that answer by the votehare for that party per the recent poll.
So, the Lib Dems may be ahead of the Greens nationally (according to most polls at least), but in Glasgow specifically the Greens are projected to win more second votes than the Oranges.
#11 by Paul on April 8, 2011 - 10:33 am
Ah, so when you say “projected regional voteshare” you mean “regional” as in the national voteshare of the regional Vote, rather than the, errr, “regionally adjusted” share of the national voteshare of the regional vote. I can see why it is hard to share.
Maybe you could show your regionally adjusted percentages?
Basically, Glasgow is even less liberal than the rest of the country, well less LibDem anyway.
#12 by Alex on April 8, 2011 - 10:36 am
i am just amazed people still don’t seem to get this. It seems to be once at least every thread that this gets explained.
#13 by Lallands Peat Worrier on April 8, 2011 - 10:39 am
Ah, gotcha.
It was your characterisation of those percentages as your “projected regional share” which confused me. Going back to 2007, I think the Liberals secured only 7% of the Glasgow region in any case, already below their calamitous recent polling levels in national terms.
#14 by Jeff on April 8, 2011 - 10:40 am
Yes, my bad, a very misleading choice of phrase on my part. Fixed it now.
#15 by Jeff on April 8, 2011 - 11:15 am
Indeed, Lib Dems have a shoddy footing to start with here and I’m not sure about the wisdom of putting Robert Brown MSP second on the list with Katy Gordon first.
The regional votes received in Glasgow for 3rd, 4th and 5th were: LD 14,767, Con 13,781 & Green 10,759. It’s a bit of a crapshoot as to who will finish ahead in 2011, Greens or Conservatives, and the Lib Dems should probably bring up the rear.
#16 by Alex on April 8, 2011 - 10:31 am
Glasgow is something that has been baffling me for a while, and one that could have real consequences for the overall result. The list is so mixed up because the tories and libs do poorly here and then you have the Galloway factor. I personally think that Galloway will be elected that the question is actually whether he is able to pick up enough support up to even potentially drag the 2nd person on that list behind him. Far fetched maybe, but Galloway gets votes, we know that and 12 years of no labour list msps makes me think of potential swapping.
I have had it for quite a while that Labour could pick up a list seat (based on raw numbers), (and that was after winning all 9 FPTP seats), but naturally as the polls have decreased the chances are getting slimmer. It feels completely absurd that this could happen, but I guess this is the Glasgow political scene for you.
However I think the Galloway works against them here. I personally don’t think Labour will pick up a list msp here despite the numbers and that the last 2 list seats will be contested between 3 people / parties. Galloway, the Greens and the 5th SNP name on the list.
The Libs seem to do poorly in Glasgow and it will be a real sign of the times if they fail to get any list seats here at all. It would be a complete embarrassment really and the sort of thing which can be hard to come back from. They really rely on their elected organisation (and the potential for elected position) and no mps or msps would hit them hard. If this happens I could see them really struggling at the council level next year.
As for the FPTP seats Jeff, I think your judgement looks good. There certainly seem to be 6 safe seats regardless of what people might say. The other 3 are crucial for labour as (attempted to explain above) I don’t feel they will pick up list seats either from ‘losing’ one or two of the seats. This would have a big impact on the final result.
I do think thought that Sturgeon will hold on, though maybe a bit closer than you think, as will Charlie Gordon.
Pauline McNeill is an interesting case, but the SNP really need to be at least a couple of points ahead on the national vote to win this, so at the moment I think ‘Lean’ (to borrow an American term) Labour would be fair here.
#17 by Aidan Skinner on April 8, 2011 - 10:44 am
Anecdotally, the Lib Dem share of the student vote has essentially evaporated including many activists. This is particularly significant in Glasgow Kelvin which has all 3 of the universities and almost all of the students. The Lib Dem Westminster Candidate Natalie McKee is standing but you wouldn’t know it so far.
Mike Russell and Sandra White have been courting the student vote quite heavily, slightly oddly demanding a summit with Anton Muscatelli at gla.ac.uk and essentially going “these are not the education cuts you are looking for”.
#18 by Jeff on April 8, 2011 - 10:59 am
Interesting, thanks Aidan. I didn’t realise the student vote was so concentrated. One has to think that with Patrick Harvie’s elevated profile and the SNP coming good on scrapping fees that there’ll be a lot of 1st vote – SNP and 2nd vote – Greens in that number, perhaps from many former 1st vote/2nd vote Lib Dems voters.
Note that, in my model at least, an SNP gain in Kelvin is replaced with a Labour gain on the list; but if the local voteshare changes away from the polling numbers I used, that of course becomes less likely to happen.
And Mike Russell is getting around a bit, I do hope he is spending some time in Argyll & Bute too…!
#19 by Chris on April 8, 2011 - 12:28 pm
Of course with – who knows – 80% of Glasgow, Strathclyde and GCU students commuting from home and 10% being from overseas the student vote isn’t as high as other University seats. The academic vote is probably more significant as they are major employers in the area. The student vote is spread round the middle class ‘golfing’ suburbs. And of course any student who voted Green in 2007 is more than likely to be not there. A lot of Green and LibDem support comes from academics, who are also much more likely to be drawn from the English Middle Classes – not a group particularly likely to vote SNP.
In terms of Labour tactical voting (and as a recently rejoined member, with my aunt 5th on the Labour list, I’d better be tactful) the choice between electing George Galloway or Hanzala Malik should be a ‘no brainer’
#20 by Chris on April 8, 2011 - 12:38 pm
In terms of the Greens. The cost of losing the deposit is pretty minimal compared to the cost of a campaign in the constituency seat. Campaigning in one seat they will not win will draw funds and activist resources away from the campaign to get top-up votes. This campaign needs to be spread across all their strongest areas including middle class enclaves in Cathcart and Maryhill and Springburn.
#21 by douglas clark on April 8, 2011 - 12:52 pm
Jeff,
Phew! Finished at last.
Just out of curiosity will you be updating this to account for new polls as they become available or is that asking for too much?
#22 by Malc on April 8, 2011 - 1:04 pm
Haha. I’m doing a post pulling all the posts together and suggesting we might take a look again at some of the seats closer to the election. So… that’s a firm maybe.
#23 by Jeff on April 8, 2011 - 1:12 pm
Hi Douglas. Yes, we’ll definitely update the results for new polls; probably at a national level rather than on specific regions (though we will I’m sure consider individual constituency/region impacts of a national poll where it throws up something that’s worth chatting about). My plan is to use this RegionWatch series as a kind of baseline and then work from this to an updated result by saying – SNP now to take Edinburgh East/Western Isles/Glasgow Kelvin and this means x, y and z for the regional vote which gives a total result of…… That kind of thing.
#24 by Chris on April 8, 2011 - 12:52 pm
If Galloway’s campaign takes off it will also draw list votes from the SNP
A lot of people split their ticket and it could be that people who vote SNP/Labour and Labour/SNP will instead vote SNP/Galloway and Labour/Galloway. And he might also induce weak SNP supporters to give him a ‘punt’. Unfortunately so many voters believe that the 2nd ballot is like a 2nd choice, even though it can be more important in determining who runs the country.
Having said that there is still a religious dimension to voting in Glasgow, with Catholic voters still overwhelmingly Labour, and the Protestant vote more evenly split between Labour and SNP. Galloway is more than capable of stirring this up (like he did in his reselection battles). If he does his ability to draw working class protestant votes from the SNP will be limited.
#25 by Jeff on April 8, 2011 - 1:09 pm
Not sure about the religious factor, but only because I’m happily oblivious to it all so you may be right.
I’m not convinced about this belief that many see the second vote as a second preference. I believe only 7% of Labour FPTP voters went elsewhere with their second vote in 2007 which sounds like remarkable loyalty and does not suggest that the electorate thinks that they can’t vote for the same party twice. That figure was 25% for the SNP but I still don’t think that much of that was to do with a misunderstanding of the voting system and was genuine splitting of the vote and/or tactical.
Galloway is a right big question mark though, I’ll give you that!
#26 by Chris on April 8, 2011 - 1:29 pm
I didn’t realise there was any research done into it. So I defer to your actual knowledge as opposed to my ill-informed hunches.
#27 by Danny1995 on April 8, 2011 - 2:19 pm
I have a similar result, I just have Stephen Curran instead of Hanzala Malik(I have Labour taking Southside and the SNP taking a 5th list seat.
My final count up is
Drumroll
Scottish Labour Party – 53 MSPs(+9 on notional figure) 46CON, 7LIST
Scottish National Party – 46 MSPs(No change on notional figure) 17CON, 29LIST
Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party – 17 MSPs(-3 on notional figure) 5CON, 5LIST
Scottish Liberal Democrats – 10 MSPs(-6 on notional figure) 5CON, 5LIST
Scottish Green Party – 2 MSPs(No change on notional figure) Both List
Margo MacDonald – 1 MSP(No change on notional figure) List
Final analysis
Labour emerges as the largest party comfortably, and will most likely seek to form a minority government. Coalition an option as LAB/LD/GRN produces a full majority, however this might be difficult because the London ConDems might be unhappy at the Lib Dems joining a coalition thats founding principle will be to hold the UK government to account(On the other hand, they might see it as a desireable concept as the “common factor” Lib Dems will perhaps broker a better working relationship between London and Edinburgh). At the end of the day as long as LAB/LD/GRN/IND exceeds 65 I think Labour would be able to successfully form a minority government, and concede agreements to the Lib Dems, Greens and Margo(A Labour MSP will likely be speaker, making Margo’s vote all the more important) on budget votes.
The spanner in the works is thrown if the SNP & Tories get to 65 between them(I have them on 63). Neither of these parties seem likely to work progressive with a Labour government on a confidence and supply basis. If they get one more MSP apiece, I think Labour would still form a minority government, but it wouldn’t last any longer than its first budget. The SNP would step back in with Tory support(And presumably the LDs, Greens and Margo would at least enter negotiations on each budget) and Alex Salmond would be Scotland’s first two time First Minister.
Perhaps SNP supporters should consider a tactical Tory vote in CON v LAB areas.
#28 by John Ruddy on April 9, 2011 - 5:01 pm
I think there could very well be a formal “Confidence & Supply” agreement between the SNP & the tories. Alex Salmond will argue that he needs it to complete his programme, and I think that Annabel Goldie may very well concede a referendum in order to get some hands on the levers – chair a few committees? Its more than they’ve ever had, plus formal consultation and input into the budget?
Win-Win and gets around the bar on formal coalition which the SNP have. Both parties have a vicious hatred of Labour, and this arrangement could thwart Labour – even if they are the largest party.
#29 by Indy on April 8, 2011 - 4:39 pm
Come on Danny. There are indeed particular local circumstances in Glasgow Southside (not even to do with Nicola Sturgeon’s personal popularity).
Pollok Park anyone?
#30 by Danny1995 on April 8, 2011 - 4:58 pm
I think in Glasgow(And Central) red monkey syndrome will win out.
#31 by John Ruddy on April 9, 2011 - 1:23 am
Yeah thanks for that. I’m sure the people of Glasgow will appreciate hearing your views on them.
#32 by Top Tory Aide on April 8, 2011 - 7:16 pm
I’d be surprised if Galloway doesn’t get in but of course there’s no polling etc to indicate whether he will get in or not. Personally, I’d not be too sad to see him take the Green place in Glasgow but the movement of the greens to somewhere further left than where they were previously may impact on that.
#33 by John Ruddy on April 9, 2011 - 4:56 pm
I agree that its difficult to say whether Galloway gets in – unless we have a poll of 1000 voters limited to Glasgow which includes him as an option.
My gut feeling is that he will get in – he may not have been visible over the last 4 years, but he will get a high profile over the next 4 weeks. The question is, will he take a seat from Labour (whose votes he has been courting with a more-Labour friendly prospectus than hitherto) or the SNP? Or will he prevent Patrick Harvie from returning? Interesting times!
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