Jeff and I have divided the regions between us for analytical purposes (its not really fair to ask James, given his employers are involved in the process!) so I’m up next with a look at how the North-East of Scotland could potentially pan out in May. Â Given my scepticism of opinion polls, this might be interesting – but also given we’re looking for some consistency, I figure its better that we both use a similar methodology… so using here’s my take on it.
Naturally, we need to look at the constituencies first:
Aberdeen Central – This is notionally very close. Labour won it in 2007 by just 350-ish votes, and boundary changes make it notionally SNP (if you are David Denver) or notionally Labour (if you are Will Patterson) with the Lib Dems notionally quite close in third. Â But this is all on paper. Â The SNP have their council leader, Kevin Stewart, as candidate while Lewis MacDonald is the incumbent Labour MSP. Â I think toss a coin… but give it marginally to Labour (council is LD-SNP + opinion polls point this way). Labour hold (Lewis MacDonald – returning).
Aberdeen Donside – Should be a relatively straightforward hold for the SNP, boundary changes notwithstanding. SNP hold (Brian Adam – returning).
Aberdeen South & North Kincardine – This one could be interesting. Â When the Lib Dems win seats, they tend to entrench, and keep winning. Â Nicol Stephen won the corresponding seat for them – as party leader, so with a high profile – in 2007 with a majority of 2,700, but with an 11% swing AWAY from the Lib Dems. Â Its notionally still Lib Dem – a majority of just over 2,000 (on the Denver figures) but with Nicol Stephen standing down and Maureen Watt (list MSP) standing for the SNP, this could be tighter. Â Though it will likely be a bad night for the Lib Dems, its seats like this that will continue their over-representation in FPTP seats… but not by much I wouldn’t think – maybe less than 500 votes. Lib Dem hold (John Sleigh – new face).
Aberdeenshire East – Its the FM’s seat at the moment, and barring any massive shocks, it’ll still be Alex Salmond’s seat after the election. Â Whether he is still FM after it though, is more difficult to foresee. Â SNP hold (Alex Salmond – returning).
Aberdeenshire West – Similar to AS&NK above, this is a relatively safe Lib Dem seat, though boundary changes do turn an actual 5,100 majority into a notional 3,700 one. Â And again, despite a Lib Dem vote which is likely to fall, they should still manage to hold on – given there is no high-profile challenger, and the opposition is split between yellow and blue – though expect a majority of less than 2,000. Lib Dem hold (Mike Rumbles – returning).
Angus North & Mearns – Splitting Angus in two gives the SNP an opportunity to claim 2 seats in the area instead of one – a chance they will likely take. Â This one is notionally SNP by 5,000 votes, making it a comfortable SNP hold (Nigel Don – returning).
Angus South – Despite Andrew Welsh’s retirement, the SNP should maintain their hold on Angus here, with a notional majority of 6,000. Â Expect that to drop, but the party to return comfortably. SNP hold (Graeme Dey – new face).
Banffshire & Buchan Coast – The SNP’s majority in the corresponding seat in 2007 was one of the largest (the largest in fact?) in Scotland. Â Should be straightforward, even with new boundaries. SNP hold (Stewart Stevenson – returning).
Dundee City East – Shona Robison has been MSP for here since 2003. Higher profile as a minister should help, and with a majority of over 4,000, she should be back again. SNP hold (Shona Robison – retuning).
Dundee City West – Despite this majority being half of Shona Robison’s, I expect this also to maintain the SNP’s dominance over the City of Discovery. SNP hold (Joe FitzPatrick – returning).
Thus, with all constituencies accounted for, we end up with a division of:
SNP – 7
Lib Dem – 2
Labour – 1
Now, to the list seats – and a quick explanation of methodology.  We’re using the most recent poll figures (Lab-36%, SNP-32%, Con-15%, LD-11% and Green -6%) but with a twist.  Given those are national figures, it makes more sense to make it more regional.  So, using we’ve used the 2007 list figures to work out the proportion of the national vote the respective regional vote makes up, and subsequently applied that proportion to the poll figure.  This should make it more region-specific.  This isn’t that easy to explain, so if you are particularly interested, I can email the working.  But for the north-east, that means using revised list figures of Lab - 24.48%, SNP – 41.6% Lib Dem – 15.18% Con – 15.6% Green – 4.62%.
Which means we’re looking at a list distribution of:
Seat 1: Conservative (Alex Johnstone – returning)
Seat 2: Labour (Richard Baker – returning)
Seat 3: Labour (Jenny Marra – new face)
Seat 4: Conservative (Nanette Milne – returning)
Seat 5: Labour (Lesley McMahon – new face [#4 on Lab list but Lewis McDonald elected in constituency])
Seat 6: SNP (Maureen Watt – returning)
Seat 7: Conservative (Hughie Campbell Adamson – new face)
(Seat 8 would be: Lib Dem – but closely contested by Labour and Greens)
So, expected North-East Scotland result (2007 in brackets):
SNP –7 + 1 =8 (8)
Labour – 1 + 3 = 4 (3)
Lib Dem – 2 + 0 = 2 (3)
Conservative – 0 + 3 = 3 (2)
An extra constituency increases the amount of MSPs from the North-East from 15 to 16, with Labour and the Tories the beneficiaries and the Lib Dems losing out.
Taking a leaf out of Jeff’s book, tactical considerations for the region:
No clue! Â Its difficult to see how tactical voting can help anyone other than the big parties, as any constituency gain would be compensated for by a list loss, and the Greens are (on these, hypothetical, figures) a good bit away from winning a seat. Â I guess if you are a Tory, to gain another list seat you could perhaps vote tactically in a constituency to get another Labour MSP there, and hope that you had enough list votes to overcome the SNP there. Â Guess that works for the Lib Dems and Greens too.
#1 by Douglas McLellan on March 14, 2011 - 7:39 am
I am going to stick my neck out and state that I believe that the Greens will get a list seat. There are 4 universities in the region (and a fair few FE colleges) and the Greens, I would guess, is a natural home for them right now. SNP, Labour & the Libs all have issues with commitments made to students so there may well be a second plague-on-all-your-houses vote going to the Greens.
Other than that I agree with your predictions.
#2 by James on March 14, 2011 - 8:15 am
Malc, on these figures you have Martin Ford at 0.6% away from getting that last list seat. He’s undoubtedly our third-best-known member after Robin and Patrick, and I think Douglas is right.
In fact, he’s exactly 1.5% off that sixth seat, and that’s my prediction, not that sixth or seventh makes any difference to the overall outcome.
#3 by Malc on March 14, 2011 - 8:22 am
On the figures, I make it that you’d be about 3,000 votes off getting a seat here. Is that 0.6%?
But I’ll caveat that by saying that I’ve used 2007 figures as a baseline for both the starting figure and the regional:national ratios. So that would make the Lib Dem figure probably higher than it will be, for a couple of reasons (coalition plus their leader was from the region in 2007).
And no way is Martin Ford a better known Green than you are…
#4 by Malc on March 14, 2011 - 8:23 am
Incidentally, I’m not saying there aren’t problems with the methodology, and we wanted to have some discussion points… but I had to use some numbers… so that’s how I got here!
#5 by James on March 14, 2011 - 9:12 am
I’ve got more followers on Twitter than he does, that’s all.
#6 by Daniel J on March 14, 2011 - 9:58 am
That sounds like a challenge to me!
Although I suppose putting leaflets through letterboxes would be more productive…
#7 by Jeff on March 14, 2011 - 9:09 am
Well, my tuppence worth is that the Lib Dems won’t hold onto Aberdeen South and North Kincardine given a slender 2,000 majority from 2007. Perhaps former Labour voters will tactically vote but given the freefall in Lib Dem numbers (Clegg’s approval rating is -79 or something ridiculous) and the lack of incumbency factor, I’d give it to SNP.
Overall, I make it SNP – 8, Labour – 4, Lib Dem – 2, Tory – 3. Sadly no Greens (sorry James!)
#8 by Malc on March 14, 2011 - 9:24 am
I do love that a majority of 2,000 is described as “slender”. On that basis, 25+ of the constituencies are slender (and potentially changeable!). And perhaps this outcome – if you take into account Will’s “semi-incumbency” bias (or whatever he called it!) is likely, given the SNP have MSP Maureen Watt standing here. Its plausible… but I went the other way with it.
Anyway, it doesn’t change your final outcome being the same as mine.
#9 by Doug Daniel on March 14, 2011 - 9:25 am
I agree, since you’ve basically said what I said, but in considerably fewer words!
#10 by Daniel J on March 14, 2011 - 9:30 am
Consensus among people I know up here is that John Sleigh will lose. He performed pretty badly in the GE and while boundary changes might help him, I just can’t see him winning.
#11 by Malc on March 14, 2011 - 9:33 am
Thanks for the local info – Jeff’s in London and I’m in Edinburgh, so its difficult for us to get a grasp of local circumstances.
As I’ve said before, I don’t disagree, I just went the other way on this one. But I’m open to him losing (with a corresponding switch-around on the regional seats) which leads to the same outcome.
#12 by Doug Daniel on March 14, 2011 - 9:23 am
Hmmm, John Sleigh as my new MSP. I was distinctly unimpressed with his Westminster campaign last year. I think it’s important to bear in mind that AS&NK is not really a stronghold for any party – there have been Tory, Lib Dem and Labour MPs in the area over the past 20 years, so there’s no donkey-in-whatever-colour-rosette factor. Nicol may have held the Aberdeen South Holyrood seat since 1999, but he had a massive 9.6% drop in support in 2007, with Margaret Watt increasing her support at the same time by a massive 12.8%, taking her from 4th in 2003 to 2nd place in 2007.
If you factor in the notional drop in Lib Dem support, as well as the fact that Nicol Stephen was a well-known politician in the area (having won the Kincardine & Deeside by-election in 1991 and being the Lib Dem’s Aberdeen South candidate in 1997, where he did well against Anne Begg), it wouldn’t surprise me if John Sleigh fails to keep the seat for the Lib Dems. I also think Labour are far enough behind the SNP so that unless every departing Lib Dem voter goes to Labour, they’ll remain in third place.
I’m sticking my neck out and saying the SNP will get AS&NK. They might even have a good chance with Aberdeen Central since they came close in 2007 and Kevin Stewart is a well-known figure… However, he might be well-known for the wrong reasons since the council haven’t been popular recently.
I’ll be crossing my fingers for the North-East to become the SNP version of Glasgow!
#13 by Malc on March 14, 2011 - 9:27 am
Yeah – you’ve gone with Jeff on AS&NK. As we agreed though, it doesn’t change the final seat count… unless the SNP take Aberdeen Central as well. Which I agree is possible… but as you can see from the working, I’ve gone the other way on that one too (mainly on the basis of council stuff). It is a kind of “toss a coin” notion for both of them at the moment.
#14 by Daniel J on March 14, 2011 - 9:42 am
By my calculations if we see a 50% rise in the Green vote that will lead to around 12,500 votes.
I have Labour scooping up the 7th list seat on 13,000 with the Tories on 12,333 and Greens right around the threshold. (07′ threshold:15,000. 03′ around 12,500 )
The Greens have quite a few major local issues up here, the most obvious being of course being Trump. I do think Martin Ford should be able to bump the vote up a bit.
It’ll be touch and go I’m sure – I’m not looking forward to the count!
#15 by Malc on March 14, 2011 - 9:59 am
For fairness, my figures are slightly different:
I have the Tories picking up seat 7 (13,500) and I’ve just spotted a mistake in my working (well not the working, but the post!). I should have the Lib Dems next (8th) on (13,100) followed by Lab (12,700) and Greens (12,000). Where I got the Greens missing out by 3,000 I have no idea – it’d be half that. I’ll fix it in the post.
#16 by Daniel J on March 14, 2011 - 10:34 am
See now that’s not nearly half as depressing for me this morning!
Looking more closely at the regional figures it effectively results in no change of the vote share apart from Labour rising back to 99′ levels of regional vote.
I’m not quite sure what you think of this? Where does this 5% come from vis-a-vis 2007?
On a completely unscientific note – don’t we all expect the LDs share of the vote to fall? No change is asking too much, they’d need to find new voters to replace the students!
Taking note of what Douglas said I can quite confidently say I know many students who will never vote for them again.
#17 by James on March 14, 2011 - 10:37 am
Daniel, I think Stuart’s probably right, below.
#18 by Malc on March 14, 2011 - 11:24 am
Apologies… I had one wrong figure (AFTER the final calculation, so admittedly, it made no difference to the first 7 seats) and that threw the 8th seat off.
This IS entirely unscientific, but I worked out the ratio of Labour’s NE list % in 2007 (20%) to their NATIONAL list % in 2007 (29.2%) – which returned me a figure of 68%. I then multiplied their national opinion poll figure for the list (36%) to get the 24.5% share.
To explain more simply: If Labour’s NATIONAL vote share goes up by 7% from 2007 (as suggested by recent polls) we should expect their NE list vote to go up by 5% (if the ratio of NE list votes: national list votes stays the same). I don’t know where it would come from – I’m making (loose) assumptions that the opinion polls have some accuracy (which I’m not convinced about!).
But yes… I expect the Lib Dem share to fall (and according to my figures here, it would, but only by a minimal amount).
#19 by Douglas McLellan on March 14, 2011 - 9:56 am
Type your comment here
I shall mark this day in my diary.
Seriously though, how do the pollsters take recognition of the variations that student populations bring? Genuinely interested as I see a lot of Green votes there than may or may not be being counted.
#20 by James on March 14, 2011 - 10:12 am
We’ve agreed before on something, I’m sure. Just can’t remember what..
#21 by Paul on March 14, 2011 - 10:27 pm
“Type your comment here” I’ll type my comment where I choose – sheesh nanny state commenting system!
Agreeing to disagree does not count.
#22 by Douglas McLellan on March 15, 2011 - 9:25 am
That type your comment thing doesn’t come up which you click reply but does when you click quote. Most vexing.
#23 by Thomas Widmann on March 14, 2011 - 10:13 am
As for tactical voting, given that the SNP, Labour and the Tories all get list seats on top of their constituency seats, it doesn’t make a difference whether they win or lose a constituency. The only interesting thing is whether the LibDems can pick up an extra constituency here, because the over-all result would then be SNP 7, Labour 4, LibDem 3 and Cons 3. I don’t think that’s likely at all, but the tactical advice should be for those who prefer the SNP over the LibDems to vote against the LibDems in the constituency vote, and for those who prefer the LibDems over the SNP to vote for them in the constituency vote where they have a chance in the North East.
#24 by Malc on March 14, 2011 - 11:13 am
Thanks for clarifying that Thomas. As you say, because (on these numbers) they all get list seats, its difficult to work out what kind of tactical voting is called for. Something to point out too is that the Lib Dems tend to get a much higher proportion of constituency seats than their national share of vote would point to, and if folk did vote for them in the constituencies (but they didn’t end up winning the seat) this would balance out a little more.
#25 by Stuart on March 14, 2011 - 10:30 am
It will be interesting to see how well Martin Ford does. He is certainly a well kent face in the Aberdeenshire area. It will be a test to see how angry people really are about the Trump situation.
The Greens often struggle with the fact that, because they only compete in the Regions, they don’t target areas, or don’t KNOW they’re target areas. Mr Ford does know the area well, given he has been a campaigner manager for Lib Dem candidates in the past, and will know where to target, and how many people he needs to vote green.
Behind Glasgow, Lothian and H&I, I think this is the next best chance of a Green seat, mainly because of Ford.
#26 by Malc on March 14, 2011 - 11:17 am
I think its a better bet than H&I, despite Jeff finding them a slot on the list there and my not finding one here (which probably says I don’t think they’ll get one in either, but I’ve been wrong before!). This is probably purely down to a) the knowing Martin Ford factor and b) the Trump thing. Having said that – my parents-in-law live in Ellon, and I understand that, though we hear more about those against it, the Trump development is actually quite a popular initiative (if not handled terribly well, to put it mildly!). I think the bottom line is, Trump will have an impact – but will it be enough to win the Greens a seat? I’m sceptical.
#27 by Jeff on March 14, 2011 - 1:24 pm
Greens got 3.18% share of the regional vote in North East in 2007, for Highlands and Islands that share was 4.63%. That might not sound like too much but do you really think that Martin Ford brings a 1.5% bump? I’d say that’s a lot of pressure to put on one individual.
Lib Dems got 16% vote share in North East in 2007, in H&I it was 20%. To me, that means that the Lib Dems have farther to fall in the Highlands which means more opportunities for the Greens to pick up some relatively easy votes.
Other points to note – Eleanor Scott is the co-convener of the Green Party, on a par with Patrick Harvie, so there is surely a bump in there somewhere. Eleanor is also the “domestic partner” of the SNP’s Rob Gibson (according to Wikipedia). Might that result in a few extra votes….?
#28 by Stuart on March 14, 2011 - 1:30 pm
Are you suggesting Eleanor Scott is more well known than Martin Ford?
I don’t think Eleanor has ever been on the front page of a newspaper. The Greens got 5.2% of the vote in 2003- that should be the aim. And given that that was 2.4% increase on 1999, then its not impossible that the Greens could get the 2% needed to get a seat.
#29 by Malc on March 14, 2011 - 1:38 pm
As an aside, my concession was based on numbers, not personal vote & known-ability. I’d be more inclined to agree with Stuart that Martin Ford is likely better known – though whether that will be an advantage, since there might be an anti-Ford vote, we’ll have to wait and see.
#30 by Daniel J on March 14, 2011 - 2:14 pm
I think his attitude is that Yes, he will put some people off, but they were never likely to vote Green anyway.
#31 by James on March 14, 2011 - 10:42 pm
The most recent aspect of the dispute was the threat to evict local residents, which Martin led on, got massively covered on, and eventually won on. We polled on it, and the NE sample said 69% against evictions, 21% in favour.
For the last year that’s been the focus of the campaign, and I think he’s been heard, especially in Aberdeenshire.
#32 by Malc on March 14, 2011 - 1:36 pm
4.63 versus 3.18 is quite a difference actually, so I may have to take back my previous assertion (and that doesn’t happen often!). From what I’ve heard though (and James will probably stipulate) Martin Ford IS expected to bring a sizeable personal vote… perhaps enough? I don’t know. I’m not sure a co-convenor who isn’t an MSP gets the same bump as a co-convenor who IS an MSP… but I do see your point.
I’m willing to concede though, that based on numbers (which I never did, since you were looking at H&I!) it is more likely the Greens will return an MSP in H&I than in NE (though I’m not sure I expect them to return an MSP in either). Happy?
#33 by Paul on March 14, 2011 - 10:29 pm
I’d agree with Malc here, that the Trump Golf Resort is probably quite popular locally due to the false impression that it will boost the local economy. Maybe as this is a Regional vote it will work in Martin Ford’s favour though.
#34 by Stuart on March 14, 2011 - 11:27 am
Exactly my point- this will prove whether there was a genuine opposition to the project, or like the P&J and Evening Express stated, a bunch of incomers kicking up a fuss.
Since my football team is Aberdeen, I know a few guys up there and there is a genuine split on the subject- some people think it will replace oil (ha!) while others see it as part of Aberdeenshire being used by super rich americans who will contribute little to the local economy, apart from spending their cash at Trumps resort, which ultimately goes back in Trump’s pockets.
Some Dons fans are hoping for Trump to get naming rights for the new stadium. This makes me sick.
#35 by Malc on March 14, 2011 - 11:31 am
Trump does have plenty money though, something which Aberdeen FC does not…
But yes, I agree on all that. This is the acid test of public opinion on the subject I think. Though, of course, people will vote on other issues besides Trump.
#36 by Doug Daniel on March 14, 2011 - 1:35 pm
There’s also the Union Terrace Gardens issue too, which is another issue that may not be as divisive as protesters would like to believe. Both could probably lead to anti-SNP votes (UTG being due to an SNP-Lib Dem council, and Trump being due to the Scottish Government), so we’ll just see how strong the feelings are. I actually think UTG is more likely to feature in people’s minds than Trump, and if so, it’ll be particularly in relation to Kevin Stewart. I don’t think it’ll be an issue in AS&NK, though.
We’ll soon see, though.
#37 by Danny1995 on March 14, 2011 - 10:31 pm
I have Labour taking Aberdeen Central, the Liberals taking Aberdeenshire West, and everything else going SNP.
1. Alex Johnstone(CON)
2. Richard Baker(LAB)
3. Alison McInnes(LD)
4. Jenny Marra(LAB)
5. Nanette Milne(CON)
6. Lesley McMahon(LAB)
7. Maureen Watt(SNP)
Total
SNP – 9
Labour – 4
Lib Dems – 2
Tories – 2
Running total
SNP – 16
Labour – 7
Lib Dems – 5
Tories – 4
#38 by John Ruddy on March 14, 2011 - 10:39 pm
A very interesting analysis, not too far from my own – obviously with the exception of a shock Labour win in Angus North 🙂
My biggest disagreement is with the SNP holding Dundee West. The party are putting a lot in here – and also Dundee East. Richard McCready is an excellent local candidate who has been able to capitalise with local feelings against the SNP council. I dont think this will come at the cost of a list seat, as I think the conservatives are running a very low-profile campaign and i think their vote will drop (a little).
With the SNP list vote dropping a little as the “Alex Salmond for First Minister” line cant be used, I can see them not picking up any list seats whatsoever. (Bear in mind that there are 17 seats in this region – not 16).
The regional list vote is the hardest to call really, and a little movement either way for any of the parties can radically change the allocation of seats. The greens can pick up a seat here on as little as 4.8% depending on the way the lib dem vote splits – I expect their constituency vote to hold up in Aberdeenshire West where Mike Rumbles will have a personal vote.
#39 by Malc on March 15, 2011 - 11:08 pm
I’ve said elsewhere, but I’ll say it again. I expect the SNP to comfortably hang on to both Dundee seats. That’s not a “nose to the ground” “on the doorsteps” analysis. Just a hunch.
#40 by Danny1995 on March 15, 2011 - 4:18 pm
Why can’t they use “Alex Salmond for first minister”?
#41 by John Ruddy on March 15, 2011 - 5:41 pm
The electoral commision has ruled that a Party must use its registered name, prefixed by Scottish and suffixed by Party if it wishes.
I’m just waiting for someone to start a “National Party” and stand in an election up here 🙂
#42 by Danny1995 on March 15, 2011 - 6:41 pm
Couldn’t they just change their name?
#43 by Chris on March 15, 2011 - 7:26 pm
No one seems to factor in opinion polls showing half the LibDem vote going to Labour. I don’t imagine that will happen in rural areas where the disgruntled LibDems would be more likely to vote SNP than Labour.
Also the last set of results were exceptionally bad for Labour.
You might also consider Jeff’s over-optimism at last year’s elections and believe what the polls say on the tin.
My guess is that there will be a LibDem wipeout. The tide from LibDem to Labour will gain Labour 1 more Aberdeen seat and possibly both Dundee seats against a static – at best- nationalist vote. Being a name didn’t help John McAllion against a national swing and it won’t do a lot for Shona Robison – although I do except that she has a strong chance.
#44 by Jeff on March 15, 2011 - 8:53 pm
Well, i can’t speak for how Malc has run his numbers but I can assure you i am quite blindly taking a rolling averag of recent polls to form my assumptions so not much to argue with.
As for 2010, it would be foolhardy to assume that the Westminster results were a simple backing of Labour. SNP and Lib Dem seats saw a comfortable maintaining of 2005 positions and even significantly increased majoritied. 2010 was wall-to-wall anti-Tory tactical voting which obviously doesn’t apply (as much) in 2011.
Fair shout at looking at individual seats where a tidalwave of Lib Dem to Labour, over and above what the polls are saying, will really skew the result. I’d agree with you that there’ll be a few or even several constituencies/regions like that.
#45 by AliMiller on March 15, 2011 - 9:44 pm
Im no voting expert, but Im not sure how influential the LibDem to Labour switch would be in the Dundee Constituencies – The LibDems only got 10.4% in D. West and 6.7% in D. East, so there arent many to lose in the first place, and the small amount that voted for them last time obviously were strong Liberal Democrat voters as both constituencies were straight fights between the SNP and Labour.
Also i might be totally wrong with this, but I recall that neither Robertson and Fitzpatrick are on the list… so if they lose they are out of the Parliament.
#46 by Malc on March 15, 2011 - 10:20 pm
You are right on ROBISON and FitzPatrick. They’ve put all their eggs in the constituency basket. I don’t see them losing – even if the Lib Dem vote share does go Labour.
For Chris, I’ve used the opinion polls primarily for the regional element – we’re working blindly in the dark if we don’t have some kind of figures to work with there. As I’ve said in explanations, I’ve used ratios from 2007 to get where I got (and if you are interested in methodology, I can email you the spreadsheet).
With regards the constituency vote, you can legitimately challenge me. I’ve used 2007 as the starting point, and while I have used the same poll figures as Jeff to make assumptions. However, I’ve used (as I assume Jeff has too) several other elements – who’s in charge of the council, incumbency, “hunches” about the seat… so yeah, its much more subjective than the regional element. But the bulk of the assumption comes from the 2007 figure +- opinion poll figures (taking account of regional variations).
As to your point… when the Lib Dems win seats, they tend to (historically at least) hold on to them. I do think they’ll take a bit of a hammering at the polls… but I also think that the national polls are just that: national. The Lib Dems (as have all parties) consistently outpolled their average vote in constituencies they win. So if they are polling, I don’t know, 8% in national opinion polls, chances are in seats they hold that number is still considerably higher. Long story short: I don’t buy a Lib Dem wipeout. But I guess in a few weeks we’ll see if I’m right or not!
#47 by John Ruddy on March 16, 2011 - 4:55 pm
You say that rural Lib Dems wont vote Labour in the same way their urban cousins? Well, what we’ve found on the ground here is that maybe about a third of the Lib Dem vote in the Mearns part of our constituency are really Labour voters who voted Lib Dem to keep the Tories out. However, now they dont have that threat – and they dont have Mike Rumbles to vote for, I think we’ve got a fair chance to attract their attention.
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