Who should Green voters back with their constituency vote in next year’s Holyrood election? I am not aware of Green candidates standing in any of the constituencies this time, although that’s a decision for individual branches to make. Assuming I’m right about those branch decisions, the dedicated Green voter will have to look elsewhere if they cast a constituency vote.
Is there a clear policy answer?
Surely this is the best place to start? Where a Green voter faces a choice of Labour, SNP, Lib Dem or Tory in their constituency, which of those four has been the best on the that motivate our voters? To oversimplify, I’ll look at social justice, civil liberties, the economy and of course the environment.
The Tories and the Lib Dems obviously score more poorly on social justice, the economy and the environment given the Westminster coalition, but if civil liberties are your priority, they might make sense (with a couple of serious reservations). In fact, if civil liberties come top for you, you’d be voting for anyone but Labour, although most of their failures on this front have been at a Westminster level, not Holyrood, but should we disassociate the two when Labour campaigns in Westminster elections on knife crime etc?
On the economy the choice is harder. All four other parties backed the bankers and fell for the idea that boom and bust was over, during an unstable boom. None of them question the economic system so comprehensively excoriated by Neal Ascherson in the Sunday Herald a while back (perhaps the best thing I’ve read all year). None of the three parties who held Westminster office during 2010 have shown any inclination to make the tax system more progressive, given the impact of the increase in allowances. Similarly, neither the SNP’s Local Income Tax proposals nor their Council Tax freeze can plausibly be identifed as progressive. It also seems unlikely that any of the other parties will propose a revenue-raising alternative to passing on the cuts, an area where another progressive proposal from elsewhere might well have tempted Green tactical voters to commit a first vote.
On the environment, none of them have a great case to make, (though I have to bow to James’ more detailed knowledge on this score), but there are points of difference. The SNP score for being anti-nuclear, but lose for being pro-coal. Labour score for being against some coal at least, but lose for being pro-nuclear. On climate change targets, the Westminster Coalition parties and the SNP lose points for voting for very weak targets last year, where Labour get a grudging half point for abstaining. Not one of them gets a single point on transport: all four other parties back every one of the unpopular motorway schemes currently under consideration, and all four back airport expansion.
In short, there’s no clear guide on policy for the Green voter looking at the constituencies, and it would depend on what each voter’s policy priorities were.
And looking at the tactical votes?
Now we’re talking!
One of the widely touted advantages of PR, of course, is an end to tactical voting. In general that’s true – with STV, you should just vote your first preference first, then rationally go down to the penultimate candidate or party. With a pure party list system it would only make sense not to put your real first preference party first if you thought they couldn’t win, and if there was a decent enough compromise party worth backing instead.
However, Scotland’s system, as the fellow anoraks who read this blog know, isn’t pure PR – it’s AMS with 73 seats elected by the tired old First Past The Post system and then “topped up” by the second vote in the region.
Of course, before you start counting the list votes for each region, you divide each party’s vote by the number of constituencies they won, plus one. That neatly avoids having to divide by zero, of course, which is infinity, or zero, depending on your mathematical know-how.
This means that, in Glasgow for instance, Labour list votes have always been irrelevant. In 1999 and 2003 they won every constituency, and even in 2007 only a Nicola-shaped pocket of neon yellow punctuates the sea of pale red.
This makes it a hard region for Greens, Conservatives and Lib Dems to win seats in off the list, but Nicola’s win made it that little bit easier for the rest of us. If she’d lost in Govan, Patrick would have lost on the list, simple as that. So tactically, Green list voters (and indeed Lib Dem or Tory list voters) want to see her win again, and if Labour were somehow to lose another constituency that would help Glasgow’s three smaller parties too: that would be where the pure tactical interest lies.
To take a slightly different example, a hypothetical Green voter who lives in Edinburgh Pentlands would have had some tough choices over the year. From 1999 onwards it was clearly the Tories’ number one target in the Lothians, and one thing has been constant about their results in the capital’s region: they get two MSPs elected. In 1999 they lost out in Pentlands and took the compensatory list seat. In 2003 and 2007 they won Pentlands and freed up a slot in the lists.
If David McLetchie hadn’t won Pentlands in 2003, Colin Fox wouldn’t have claimed that last list slot behind Mark Ballard. Curiously, therefore, the purely tactical constituency vote in Pentlands for a Green, or even for a Socialist, would be for Tory MSP David McLetchie. There’s virtually no risk Parliament would have any more Tories in it, so why not?
Who might tactically vote Green?
The flip side of this question is to ask when it might suit supporters of other parties to lend a second vote to the Greens, and the obvious examples are regions where a party’s list votes simply don’t get MSPs elected. And there are loads of them.
For this purpose we can ignore the Tories, not just because Green is the second vote of typically about one Tory in fifty, but also because they have won list seats in every region at every election. Having opposed PR. Good work.
The SNP are also in a different category – they have won seats in every region at every election too, but we do attract a fair number of SNP second preferences. In fact, the case has previously been made that, given those pesky d’Hondt divisors, voters who prefer the Green position on the constitution get more bang for the buck voting Green on the lists.
Those entire regions where list votes simply don’t elect anyone from larger parties are most interesting, though. The table shows where list votes were simply discarded, election by election.
1999 | 2003 | 2007 | |
Central | Labour | Labour | Labour |
Glasgow | Labour | Labour | Labour |
Highlands and Islands | Lib Dem | Lib Dem | Lib Dem |
Lothians | Labour | Labour & Lib Dem | Lib Dem |
Mid Scotland and Fife | Labour | Labour | Lib Dem |
North-east | Labour & Lib Dem | Lib Dem | X |
South | Labour & Lib Dem | Labour & Lib Dem | Labour |
West | Labour | Labour | Labour |
There has therefore been larger-party wasted list votes in every region and at every election except the North-east last time. In some cases it may be hard to predict where that will apply, but in others it’s a virtual certainty.
If you were a Labour voter in Central, Glasgow or West, wouldn’t you rather express a preference that might elect someone on the list? For sure, there’s a substantial statement made by all those discarded Labour list votes – “we are really loyal to Labour” – and you never know for sure how the constituency vote will go, but voting for another party could make a real difference. Are those voters really neutral about whether Glasgow has more SNP, Lib Dem, Tory or Green MSPs? Or do we need to explain the voting system better? The same applies to Lib Dems in the Highlands and Islands, whose list votes have never helped anyone get elected.
There are Labour activists who work on this basis, who split their vote to get Greens in on the lists instead of SNP or Tory MSPs. There has been (confidential) suggestions from an SNP activist that they might think about it in a region or two. But will it spread? And will the public follow suit?
#1 by Andrew on March 2, 2011 - 1:49 pm
much food for thought for everyone …..not just greens.
#2 by Stuart on March 2, 2011 - 2:05 pm
Think I’m going to have to get out the D’Hondt calculator to figure out who my first vote should go to…
#3 by James Kelly on March 2, 2011 - 2:37 pm
“There has been (confidential) suggestions from an SNP activist that they might think about it in a region or two.”
That strikes me as mildly insane. There isn’t a single region where the SNP aren’t likely to pick up seats on the list, so voting for anyone else could only harm the party’s interests.
#4 by Jeff on March 2, 2011 - 2:54 pm
Well, another way of looking at it is to look at regions where the SNP pick up the 1st, 3rd and 4th seats (say), Labour are expected to take the 7th seat and the Greens expected to take the 8th. A few hundred extra Green votes could keep Labour down by one, the SNP minority administration effectively ahead by one or, maybe, an SNP/Green coalition up by one.
#5 by oldchap on March 2, 2011 - 3:31 pm
Fantastic post. Definitely some food for thought, and puts that boring old FPTP tactical voting in its place!
#6 by Gaz on March 2, 2011 - 4:05 pm
The way Patrick is going, it is soon going to seem that any vote for Green on the list is going to result in a Labour First Minister. And before James jumps down my throat – that is the perception that is being created even if it is not the intention.
I don’t think we are too far away from a Vote Green, Get Gray campaign from the SSP.
#7 by Daniel J on March 2, 2011 - 4:26 pm
Well for Glasgow I can see that an OK strategy. Regardless of the hostility many cyber Nats seem to have against the Greens I would imagine that a Green vote in the NE would be a good bet for them. (Why? I assume the Greens would support a referendum on Independence.)
If their vote share remains roughly the same they’ll end up on 9 (+1) or even 10 (+2) with the the new Angus North and Angus South constituencies both likely SNP. Add into that Nicol Stephen is retiring in Aberdeen South and all respect to the candidate he didn’t perform well at the General Election..
#8 by James on March 2, 2011 - 5:17 pm
Greens were absolutely ready to support a referendum – although we would prefer to see the questions set by the public and civic Scotland through a Constitutional Convention, not politicians.
#9 by John Ruddy on March 3, 2011 - 6:20 pm
I dont think the SNP should count the two Angus seats in the bag. Certainly some of the the SNP activists locally are nervous. In the north, the whisper from their campaign is that their candidate isnt a strong enough a campaigner, whilst the opposite is the case in the South!
Having said that, the SNP vote here is so strong, that even a lacklustre performance is likely to result in an SNP victory, but I think there may be some surprises come the count.
#10 by James Kelly on March 2, 2011 - 5:19 pm
“Were”?
#11 by Daniel J on March 2, 2011 - 8:51 pm
When SNP published the white paper in 09 and before?
#12 by James on March 2, 2011 - 9:45 pm
Were, had a vote been brought. We never got a chance to vote for it because Ministers pulled it, that’s all. Not “we’ve gone off democracy”, James.
#13 by Danny1995 on March 2, 2011 - 5:52 pm
Jeff, just pointing out that with Labour losing a Central constituency due to boundaries, assuming they don’t win Falkirk West off the SNP they would only need a swing of 1069 voters to unseat Lib Dem Hugh O’Donnell(Only about 7% of people who voted Lib Dem in 2007 would need to go Labour for them to “bust” the AMS and win a regional seat in addition to 8 out of 9 constituencies.
Similarly, if Labour win 8 out of 9 Glasgow constituencies, they’d need a swing of exactly 1000 Green voters to unseat Patrick Harvie(A 9.3% swing)
Looking at the West of Scotland, voting for Labour or any minor party is a wasted vote, you’d need a huge swing for the Greens or Labour to win the 7th seat.
#14 by James on March 2, 2011 - 9:44 pm
Danny, the SSP won in West in 2003, so history’s not with you. And the Greens were only 0.85% away from picking one up there that year.
Finally, if you think the Greens will be behind the Lib Dems in Glasgow in May I’ve got a shiny hundred pound note says you’re wrong.
#15 by James on March 2, 2011 - 9:48 pm
In fact, first come first served on that offer. I might take more than one, but I’ll definitely take the first genuine offer.
#16 by Colin on March 3, 2011 - 10:25 am
I reckon Robert Brown will have a bit of a chuckle to himself if the Lib Dems fail to win a seat in Glasgow.
#17 by haarandrime on March 2, 2011 - 5:56 pm
Thank you for a very useful post. As a first time voter this election I have been trying to get to grips with the Scottish system. I now have a clear idea of how to cast my vote to ensure that it is not a wasted one for me. I really admire all you statistical politicos… the calculations will take some time for me to work out.
#18 by Danny1995 on March 2, 2011 - 10:35 pm
I think the Conservatives will finish third in Glasgow, but the Lib Dems and Greens will probably be very close to Labour’s revised d’Hondt total after the constituencies all declare. If Labour has a good night it would be foolish to rule them out of a list seat in Glasgow and Central, particularly with the projected Lib Dem collapse. My gut feeling says they fall short in Glasgow, and that Central is down to the Falkirk West result, if Labour win then Hugh O’Donnell will be re-elected, if the SNP win then Labour get a regional seat.
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