The region of Glasgow has always been a fairly settled land in terms of who would be returned at Holyrood elections.
In 1999, Labour won all 10 FPTP seats while the SNP took 4 regional, with 1 apiece for Lib Dems, Tories and SSP
In 2003, the only change was an extra SSP and Green at the expense of the SNP
In 2007, the only change from 2003 was the SNP taking Glasgow Govan and retaking 4 regional seats, at the expense of the Socialists
However, the announcement that George Galloway will be standing this year can make what is becoming a crowded field increasingly difficult to predict the winners from.
There are two schools of thought on Gorgeous George – one is that he is a busted flush and the other is that he is a formidable talent that is yet to be fully utilised. I will take a rather wimpy position and say that he is both.
The man’s oratory skills are electrifying, one need only look at the punishment he levelled out in the US to believe that. However, with no party machine behind him, George will always have to scrap and scrape his way to election victory and with the 2011 election very much an SNP vs Labour head-to-head, he will struggle to even get noticed, let alone elected. The man’s days in Parliament may well be behind him. The key factor as to whether George will make it into Holyrood is whether Glasgow voters blindly go with a wasted Labour-Labour vote or instead are savvy enough to opt for Labour-George Galloway on their ballot slips.
Not that it is only George who will be feeling the pressure.
The Lib Dems don’t have to slip by too much to lose their perennial single seat here, the dear green place of Glasgow may soon find itself without a Green MSP if it’s not careful and Tory blue is also at risk of falling by the wayside if its old vote doesn’t hold firm. Their fate will largely be dictated by the strength of the Socialist vote in Scotland’s second city and to what extent Glaswegians back the SNP to stop Iain gray becoming First Minister.
The Socialists should hope for a strong showing in light of a Conservative Government, unpopular cuts and Labour voters finally working out that a second vote for Labour is a wasted one. It is interesting to note that Labour took a massive 42.6% of the regional vote in 2007 with no MSPs to show for it).
However, there are now three options on the ballot for that far-left choice – Solidarity, Scottish Socialist Party and George Galloway. It looks entirely possible that the far-left have still not learned the lessons of the past and are fragmenting their precious vote share, shooting themselves in the collective foot. What an irony it would be if a splintered socialist vote allowed a Conservative to nab the 7th regional spot.
Exacerbating this problem for the far-left is that Tommy Sheridan’s well-publicised (alleged) bed-hopping exploits will probably ensure that he doesn’t come as close to Patrick Harvie as he managed in 2007, assuming Tommy’s is the top name on the Solidarity list. It seems, regrettably, that the firebrand politician now has a great future behind him.
So, prediction time again, and on the assumption of Labour winning 8 FPTP seats and the SNP winning 1, I predict the breakdown of number of votes/regional seats to go like this:
Number of regional votes – Party – 2011 (2007)
Labour 70,000 (78,838)
SNP 46,000 (55,832)
Lib Dems 12,000 (14,767)
Conservatives 14,000 (13,781)
Greens 13,000 (10,759)
SSP 4,000 (2,579)
Solidarity 10,000 (8,574)
George Galloway 4,000 (-)
1 – SNP (Humza Yousaf)
2 – SNP (Bob Doris)
3 – Conservatives (?)
4 – Green (Patrick Harvie)
5 – Lib Dem (Katy Gordon)
6 – SNP (Sandra White)
7 – Solidarity/SSP (Tommy Sheridan?)
8 – SNP
Of course, one more SNP seat at the expense of the Socialists (a vote share that even I believe I may be overegging) would mean the prediction effectively becomes the same result as in 2007 which, to be fair, wouldn’t be all that surprising.
#1 by Colin on November 11, 2010 - 11:42 am
Your consistent assertion that the Trots will win a seat in Glasgow is brave but puzzling. I suppose there’s a chance that Solidarity will no longer even exist next May, which could mean their vote goes to the SSP and allows them to sneak it. But it’s very difficult to see how a Solidarity candidate could get in.
#2 by Jeff on November 11, 2010 - 12:03 pm
“Brave but puzzlingâ€. If that description can apply to my tie selection then why not election predictions too…
You are of course correct Colin and I guess I’m sticking with it mostly because there should be enough appetite in Glasgow for 1 Socialist MSP out of 16 so I continue to trust that the SSP/Solidarity/GG can somehow get their act together to find a way for one of their number to get into Parliament. They still have several months to play with. Maybe that is expecting too much of them but so be it.
I also don’t really know what’s going on with Solidarity despite trying to find out about them on the net (tellingly, most Solidarity search requests returned SSP results!) As you say, it may not even exist come May, so that will have a factor too. I did initially believe it would be SSP it would win through in May but then I saw just how few votes that party received given Tommy Sheridan’s placement for Solidarity so, yes, brave but puzzling, let’s just leave it there….!
#3 by Jeff on November 11, 2010 - 12:07 pm
Incidentally, ‘trots’ in Swedish means ‘in spite of’ which I find particularly relevant/amusing as the Socialists may well lose out in spite of themselves as heralded by the language of the leftiest of all countries.
#4 by Doug Daniel on November 11, 2010 - 12:14 pm
Surely those who vote for Solidarity are implicitly voting for Tommy Sheridan? Perhaps I’m being a bit glib, but I can’t imagine there are any real differences between Solidarity and SSP, other than whether you approve of Tommy Sheridan or not. Assuming Sheridan doesn’t stand for election in May, I can’t really see any reason for Solidarity voters not to flock back to the SSP, unless they feel really strongly about the SSP’s “betrayal” of Sheridan.
Anyway, I’d love to see Galloway get in, purely because I think we need Holyrood to attract more politicians of his talent. Whether you agree with the man’s opinions or not, it can’t be denied that he is an impressive speaker, something which cannot be said of many MSPs. Parliamentary debates are very unfair at the moment, with pretty much every effective politician (Salmond, Russell, Sturgeon etc) sitting in SNP seats, with opposition parties having to resort to questionable “facts” and accusations in order to try and knock SNP ministers off their stride. Holyrood will never be taken seriously while it is populated by plodding dullards like Iain Gray and Tavish Scott, so while I don’t necessarily always agree with what Galloway says, I certainly agree with the way he says it. It’s just a shame the left-wingers can’t put their differences aside and work towards securing themselves as a serious alternative – the idea of a party containing both Sheridan and Galloway almost mouth-watering.
#5 by Jeff on November 11, 2010 - 12:18 pm
“the idea of a party containing both Sheridan and Galloway almost mouth-watering” – fully agree Doug, not to mention the energetic and thoroughly likeable Colin Fox in the East (who may also get back in via the Lothians list). It’s a shame they can’t all just crack some heads together and form a Socialist Alliance.
#6 by Indy on November 11, 2010 - 1:21 pm
Solidarity = Tommy Sheridan and Tommy was also the driving force behind support for the SSP. If he couldn’t get elected in 2007 he sure ain’t going to get elected in 2011, not least cause he may well be in jail.
I will feel sick to my stomache if George Galloway is elected. Yes he’s a character. So is George Foulkes. Neither of them gives two hoots about Scotland though and, call me a crazy sentamentalist, but I think that’s a pretty important quality if you want to be a member of the Scottish Parliament.
Galloway does not have a support base – he has been talking about demands from the “Asian community” for him to stand but does not name any names. In my opinion this is because he can’t name any names because it is his own idea to stand, having been rejected by voters in London.
As for predictions – I will predict that the SNP will get at least 5 MSPs back: Nicola Sturgeon, Humza Yousuf, Bob Doris, Sandra White and Sid Khan. Patrick Harvie will get back in as well. The Greens, if they play their cards right, could be the major beneficiaries from disaffected Lib Dem voters so it’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that they could get two MSPs in Glasgow.
#7 by Alasdair on November 11, 2010 - 2:05 pm
“However, the announcement that George Galloway will be standing this year can make what is becoming a crowded field increasingly difficult to predict the winners from.” – has this been confirmed? Last I heard he was only thinking about it.
#8 by Jeff on November 11, 2010 - 2:21 pm
I had assumed it was confirmed but if he’s only thinking about it then I guess he is effectively throwing his hat in the ring for the Solidarity slot, if Tommy happens to be otherwise engaged… That would make it much more likely that a Socialist could be elected, although two parties vying for the one Socialist spot could still easily be one party too many.
#9 by James on November 11, 2010 - 4:46 pm
See Amendment 5 here.
I particularly like This hegemony no longer exists
#10 by Alasdair on November 11, 2010 - 2:13 pm
“Tommy Sheridan’s well-publicised bed-hopping exploits … ” – surely you mean his ‘alleged’ exploits ;^)
#11 by Jeff on November 11, 2010 - 2:22 pm
Post now edited. Thanks Alasdair!
(I’m strongly considering hiring a lawyer to proof read these posts!)
#12 by Chris on November 11, 2010 - 2:23 pm
Looking at the top-up results from last time it’s hard to see anything changing much. I imaging the LibDems will still keep their seat, but swapping last place with Patrick Harvie. It is hard to imagine the Green vote more than doubling in order to get a second MSP elected. It is hard to imagine the LibDem vote falling so low that they fail to get elected. If that happened it would be more likely that another Tory MSP got elected.
Galloway standing woudl be intriguing as it would be an obvious destination for ‘wasted’ Labour top-up votes.
#13 by Jeff on November 11, 2010 - 2:39 pm
Agreed Chris, I admit I was a little disappointed when, from the 2007 numbers, I saw just how unlikely any massive changes in Glasgow were. I suppose that makes Patrick Harvie’s seat all the more safer which is good news.
And for all that I call Labour’s second vote a waste, they weren’t so far off pinching a regional MSP and, well, if the SNP nick Glasgow Kelvin (or elsewhere), you never know whether Labour will need those votes!
I had been considering suggesting that Labour just shouldn’t stand ANY candidates on the list so as to force its supporters to vote for Green/LD/SSP to keep the SNP out. Just my Macchiavellian mind at work I suppose….
#14 by Colin on November 12, 2010 - 12:05 pm
Heh, that’s a pretty clever suggestion. But I suspect that, were there any prospect of the “L” word not appearing on the ballot, Scargill’s Socialist Labour would get in there and do a Glasgow North-East.
#15 by anon on November 11, 2010 - 2:40 pm
I’ve read some shite on here but this truly takes the biscuit.
Tory vote going up? Bollocks. They were close to not getting one last time but suddenly you think they’ll finish 3rd on the list this time? Same goes for Greens – they only got a member in because of the lad standing in Kelvin. LDs to struggle also.
Ultimately, Galloway will be an MSP as he’ll hoover up the Celtic vote and the Socialist vote (not mutually exclusive) in Glasgow.
#16 by Jeff on November 11, 2010 - 2:58 pm
Anon,
What makes you think Tories who voted for Goldie in 2007 will be any less disposed to vote for her in 2011? Surely a Tory Government and a PM on the campaign trail will lead to a few more hundred misguided voters backing the Conservatives?
Those who don’t like Tories despising them even more, now that cuts are coming, does not equate to them getting any less votes. Doesn’t work that way I’m afraid.
There is a much greater reason for those who voted Lib Dem in ’07 not voting for them in ’11 than there is for Tory voters changing party.
Galloway hoovering up the Celtic/Catholic vote? Perhaps, I hadn’t considered that. As a Celtic-supporting, lapsed Catholic myself, I can’t say I’d be too tempted though and would have GG behind Greens and SNP.
#17 by AliMiller on November 11, 2010 - 2:41 pm
Jeff, do you not see any other Glasgow constituency seats being vurnerable to an SNP gain. I know the polls are not looking good for them now, but if things were to change which seat would go first in your opinion. Kelvin looks vurnerable but I dont know how boundary changes will affect things. Has Bob Doris got a chance in Maryhill? Doris, Sturgoen, McGlaughlin, Yousuf and Mason are a much stronger/better known group of constituency candidates than in 2007 and perhaps this may boost their vote?
#18 by Jeff on November 11, 2010 - 2:52 pm
Ali, I certainly do see scope for that but there’s a few reasons why I’m loathe to predict such a result ‘all gains blazing’.
1 – I really don’t know what the effects of the boundary changes are as yet
2 – I predicted way too many SNP gains in the Westminster election so it’d be wise not to overstate the stirrings of pro-Labour when there are Tories in power
3 – I really just wanted to focus on the regional seats in this post
I do reckon Glasgow Kelvin is there for the taking though, dependent on whether the Greens stand again I suppose since their 3rd placing 2,000-odd votes easily covered Pauline McNeill’s 1,200 majority. John Mason will fancy his chances in Glasgow Shettleston too.
But…. Glasgow, Labour, Tory Government… The flip side is accepting that Sturgeon will do well to hold on in Govan.
#19 by AliMiller on November 11, 2010 - 2:48 pm
Sorry there should be a question mark att he end of the forst sentence, the lack o one makes me seem delusional!
#20 by Indy on November 11, 2010 - 2:57 pm
I tend to agree re the Tories. 2007 was a high point for them. The idea of the Tory vote going up is a bit mad. I also think the Lib Dems are in serious danger. We have to remember that most of the Lib Dem vote in Glasgow is of the middle class progressive variety – the very people who would be most appalled by them going into coalition with the Tories.
I thought Patrick Harvie was standing in Kelvin?
#21 by Jeff on November 11, 2010 - 3:00 pm
Patrick is standing in Kelvin!? I’m way behind with the news!
Let’s be honest, and I don’t mean (much) offence, against Sandra White and Pauline McNeill, he’s in with a good shout….
#22 by James on November 11, 2010 - 4:47 pm
Patrick’s not standing in Kelvin. Only on the list. Mischievous rumour-mongering to suggest otherwise.
#23 by AliMiller on November 11, 2010 - 3:05 pm
Thanks Jeff.
Sturgeon’s battle to hold Southside is going to be the most intense contest of the election, but I think she will pull through. In a wider sense though taking more Glasgow constituencies is key to the SNP’s long term prospects, they cant afford to have to try and win despite Glasgow, as this allows for the “ripped off Glasgow” type campaigns by the Labour party.
I cant help feeling that there could be a better SNP candidate for Kelvin – Sandra White certainly isnt too inspiring. I feel they would have more of a chance with someone else.
Also, what is the deal with Mason not being on the list?
#24 by Jeff on November 11, 2010 - 3:21 pm
Not sure why Mason didn’t opt for the list, perhaps he thinks he has a better chance to win FPTP if the electorate knows this is his only chance of getting in (a factor that I have often thought must hurt the SNP across the nation. e.g. Why vote Sturgeon in the constituency if she is top of the list anyway and you happen to also like the Labour candidate who isn’t on the list?).
I agree with your sentiments regarding SNP candidates in Glasgow Kelvin but Sandra White came very close last time so no reason to think she won’t do it this time, as uninspiring as some may find her to be. One member one vote gives confidence that the right person gets the opportunity though. The last thing the SNP needs is to start parachuting in candidates off some sort of A-list (well, no more so than already happens indirectly at least!)
#25 by Phil Hunt on November 11, 2010 - 3:58 pm
How many votes do you think the Pirate Party are going to get?
#26 by Jeff on November 11, 2010 - 4:26 pm
Hopefully more than the BNP gets….
#27 by anon on November 11, 2010 - 4:26 pm
Bill Aitken narrowly got elected and will have carried a personal vote. On top of that Glasgow loses a seat so that notionally drops him further down the list.
#28 by Chris on November 11, 2010 - 4:39 pm
The Tory vote is stronger. They are beginning to re-emerge and of course they are ‘the winners’ and sadly that counts more than it should.
For Labour to lose Kelvin or Shettleston would require a further dimunition from quite a low vote in 2007 in terrible circumstances for Labour (self inflicted e.g. Iraq). If the LibDem vote went en masse to the SNP there would be some chance. But I can’t see why anyone should assume that. It’s classic wishful thinking and belies that the SNP vote has weakened and the Labour vote has strengthened. I think it will be saner for the SNP to defend some of their unexpected gains and to shore up Nicola’s position.
I think it would be a mistake by Labour to throw everything into Southside. Nicola is in a much stronger personal position than she was in 2007. She should get enough to win by 2,000 or 3,000 votes. As for the list MSPs, it’s still a case of who? for 90% of the population.
#29 by Colin on November 12, 2010 - 12:33 pm
The new Kelvin is notionally SNP, I believe, so it wouldn’t actually require a reduction in the Labour vote. If there’s no Green candidate, it’s not completely cloud cuckoo land to think the Nats have a chance.
Not sure why anyone thinks Shettleston is in contention, though.
#30 by Jeff on November 12, 2010 - 1:23 pm
I just thought John Mason’s enhanced profile might have helped him out in Shettleston. Not that it did the trick against Magaret Curran back in May of course…
#31 by Chris on November 11, 2010 - 4:44 pm
Jeff
in terms of Labour not standing in the list, it would completely backfire. I think most Labour supporters who didn’t have a Labour candidate would vote SNP as their second choice before Green or SSP or Lib Dem.
#32 by Indy on November 12, 2010 - 12:26 pm
Mischievous rumour-mongering by Greens in that case!
#33 by Danny on November 12, 2010 - 3:29 pm
No they wouldn’t Chris. SNP is too much of a threat to actually win the election.
#34 by Dan on November 12, 2010 - 5:48 pm
On the assorted far left vote, Galloway’s previous party Respect did have an electoral pact with Solidarity not to stand in Scotland. Maybe he’ll become the Solidarity candidate if Tommy’s doing bird?
#35 by Chris on November 12, 2010 - 5:50 pm
Danny
Surely you are conflating the interests of the party and its activists with the interest of their voters? A lot of Labour and SNP voters would actually quite like a Labour/SNP coalition. The many working class voters who chose between Labour and SNP are not as partisan as us activists and would happily put the other party second.
In most working class areas of Glasgow it is Labour and SNP who are slogging it out and most people in these areas are very, very unlikely to vote for perceived middle class parties such as Tory, LibDem or Green.