I’ve been teaching first years this week on the Parliamentary Labour Party. We looked at questions such as “Is Old Labour dead and buried?” (consensus: pretty much) and “If New Labour is dead, what does “Next Labour” look like?” (consensus: ask again later).
It occurred to me – as it did the students – that Labour’s evolution from Old to New and beyond has changed the party almost completely from what it originally stood for. Gone, completely, are the remnants of Clause IV socialism, the nationalise everything we can, the opposition to European integration and support for nuclear disarmament. In its place (circa 1997) we saw a Labour party which was socially similar to its roots (protect the NHS, fund more education, increase welfare spending, legislate for a minimum wage etc) but one which had almost accepted Thatcherite economics as the way to go (limited taxation, low inflation, don’t rock the economic boat). They were also much more pro-business and entrepreneurial than they had been previously, accepting the market as a good. In short, they moved from being borderline socialists to social democrats.
One of the comments that came out of discussions in class was that New Labour’s “Third Way” (as outlined above) was nothing more than an electoral strategy designed to get the party back into government. I’d say yes and no to that – of course the country had moved on from Labour’s last election victory (1974!) when we went to the polls in 1997 and what worked for them then wasn’t going to work for them again. Yes, they realised that to get into power they had to ditch some of the more radical left-wing stuff and chase the Middle-England votes represented by their “Mondeo Man” campaign. But they must have – and judging by Peter Mandelson’s autobiography, they did – believe in what they were doing, believe that this shift to the centre was not only good for their party, but good for the country.
This is where I return to the above, in a round-about way. If that New Labour philosophy is done (and Ed Miliband has suggested so) then what next for Labour? But more importantly I think – what does it say about a party when they can dispense with ideology and pick up a new one so quickly? I’ll come back to that.
Part of the reason I’ve been thinking about this stems from the week the Liberal Democrats have been having. To go into a campaign with a manifesto commitment which has to be shelved because of coalition negotiations (read: PR) is one thing. But to have your leader – and, indeed, most of your candidates -Â sign a pledge to vote against any rise in tuition fees (an issue which the party is well-known and liked among students for) only to back track and back the abolition of a cap on fees is something else. But there is a wider point to be made.
Why do people join political parties? Obviously not because they agree with absolutely everything the party stands for – that would be near impossible. So you find a few issues you feel strongly about – perhaps university tuition fees might be one of them, or proportional representation, or funding for the NHS, or tackling poverty… etc – and you find a party whose views best fit with yours. Where you disagree, you go to conferences, you speak on motions, you try to convince others that the policy needs rethinking, perhaps you are successful, perhaps not, but your voice has been heard, the party understands the issues you have with the policy but you still believe in other things that the party stands for, so you stay.
But how far does a party have to stray from its ideology (and I use the term loosely) for you to leave? Labour, for example, is in a position at the moment – in opposition – where it can redefine itself, think about its position on any number of issues and emerge with different views than it currently holds. The same is true of the Lib Dems, though for different reasons – government forces decisions upon you as a party that you did not have to take in opposition.
My point is simply that there comes a point when what a party stood for previously is simply no longer represented by the party in its current form. And when that point comes, why do members stay with it? Presumably, it is out of loyalty, or for one or two issues that they still agree with. But for me, if ideology goes, if you define yourself as a “liberal” or a “socialist” how can you retain membership of a party which has shifted far from those ideologies? Incidentally, the same is undoubtedly true of conservatism and the Conservatives, but the point is better explained using more contemporary examples – plus the fact that conservatism has always had a degree of pragmatism attached to it.
I hope members of those parties – and others, for many are in a similar boat – don’t feel like I am attacking them as “blindly loyal” or their parties for being “empty vessels”. I know in a round about way that is what I am doing, but it isn’t intended to be offensive. It is simply a comment on the way that society – and politics – has moved in the UK in the last 20 years. Â We’ve become centrists, hugging the middle ground, coveting the swing-voters, trying not to offend. There is no longer any room for the radicalism of Old Labour, perhaps not even for the “radicalism” of real electoral reform. All that is left is three large parties trying to put forward policies which distinguish them in a minor way from the other two.
I think my original question remains – what is the point of these political parties when a) they are represent the same things and b) they’ve abandoned some of the things that made people join them in the first place? Honestly? I have no idea.
#1 by Stephen Glenn on October 18, 2010 - 10:21 am
I may have to write an opinion piece taking the other side of the argument.
#2 by Malc on October 18, 2010 - 11:05 am
I didn’t think I was really making an argument, though I assume you are taking it that I don’t think there’s any point in being a member of a party. If you do write a piece, can I ask that you interpret me as saying “why stay with a party which has changed so that it hardly resembles at all the party you originally joined?”? Because, if its not clear, that’s really what I’m arguing!
#3 by James on October 18, 2010 - 10:28 am
Two other reasons – inertia, and your social life.
Anecdote one. A dear friend of mine used to be in Labour despite constantly railing against tuition fees, the Iraq war, ID cards, Peter Mandelson etc. One Hogmanay when he was in his cups I asked what it would take to get him to leave. “But I signed up by direct debit!” came the reply.
Anecdote two. Another good friend had been in the Lib Dems for many years, and it had become a social network as much as a political one. Leaving would jeopardise a substantial number of friendships, and a web of emotional engagement.
Both stories have happy endings, incidentally.
#4 by Malc on October 18, 2010 - 11:06 am
You mean that parties are not much more than “a cult for people who like delivering leaflets“? That’s one way of putting it!
#5 by Chris on October 18, 2010 - 10:32 am
I left the Labour Party after the Iraq war – 7 years ago. Prior to that I had been a member for 20 years.
I have rejoined this year, but am not sure why.
Reasons for staying so long
1. It’s my party, not theirs. And they can’t take it off me
2. Identity: it’s who I am. It tells me and the rest of the world something about myself
3. Years of energy have gone into it. It’s very, very hard to accept that it was wasted. It wasn’t all wasted, but the end results weren’t great. Alhough I was very happy at some of the early achievements of the Labout govt like the Scottish Parliament which I was prepared to forgive a lot for.
Reasons for leaving
1. Going so far away from where I started
2. Through personal circumstances not having the time to resist the drift to, and beyond, the centre. I admire those who stayed and fought, but I didn’t have the time or the energy. By doing nothing it was making me complicit in the warmongering, etc.
Reasons for rejoining
1. Cathartic purge of the worst of Blairism (I may be a fool here, but I can always leave again)
2. Actually having some time to make my point
#6 by Malc on October 18, 2010 - 11:10 am
I think the fact you’ve said “I have rejoined this year, but am not sure why” says more about the party than you think. Maybe it means that you can’t identify what it is that Labour means (policy-wise) at the moment, but that you still identify with what it is supposed to mean. Or perhaps more about other parties – that you have a distinct dislike for what it is that they will do, and you stand in opposition. On either of those interpretations (and they are not exhaustive, by any means) it kind of makes the same point as I have been trying to make – that parties are so similar now, scared of doing anything too distinctive, that people can’t really identify with them any more.
#7 by Stuart on October 18, 2010 - 12:18 pm
An important point to take from this article I think is that the 3 main parties appear to be “centralising”, because basically, the right has been dominant in this country for over 30 years now. Labour, the Lib Dems (now) and the Tories are trying to be all things to all men- and I don’t think if I was a member of any of these parties I would accept this.
For me, its quite simple. If PR was used for our elections, it would allow the parties to get back to their ideological roots without fear of their rivals winning elections outright (although the way the coalition is going you would have thought the tories won it out right!). Natural coalitions would form, like on the continent, it would probably bring more plurality to politics and people in the country would probably have a bigger choice of parties to go to as they’d feel they had a chance of being represented on a national level.
As for joining parties, I think many people join because through family or friends- I can understand that.
What I don’t really understand is people who seem to be quite strongly opinionated, passionate and well educated on subjects, while their party positions itself is the opposite to their view…
#8 by Indy on October 18, 2010 - 3:01 pm
I’ll answer the question “What is the point of political parties” in a slightly different way.
Add up all the people who are members of political parties in Scotland – 16,000 in the SNP, Labour’s membership number seems somewhat blurred but let’s say 15,000 for the sake of argument. I don’t know what the membership numbers are for the Tories, Lib Dems, Greens, SSP etc but, however you add it up, the total number of people who are members of political parties in Scotland would not exceed 70,000.
Those 70,000 people subsidise democracy for everyone else.
They pay for most political activity through their fundraising and their donations, they deliver the leaflets, they chap the doors, they do the telephone canvassing, the street campaigning, they run the facebook groups, they attend the meetings and the conferences, they develop the policies, they man the polling stations, they knock up the voters on polling day, they attend the count to see that every vote is fairly counted etc, WIthout the commitment and the hard work of those 70,000 people our democracy would fall apart.
So on the most basic level that’s what political parties are for. A cynic might say we are there to do the donkey work so that everyone else can sit on their backside and criticise the results.
To address the second point – why stay in a party that no longer represents what you believe in – I can’t answer that because I am quite happy being in the SNP. I’m happy now that we are the largest party in Scotland but I was also happy when we were not, when election night meant getting a good kicking and the prospect of winning a majority of Scottish seats seemed like the maddest dream imaginable. I was happy to go on campaigning even if it meant getting a good kicking because I believe in indepedence and progress for Scotland and that is what still keeps me going.
#9 by Malc on October 18, 2010 - 4:00 pm
Indy – that’s fine to an extent on the first point. Though that really points to the article which I mentioned in response to James – that parties are simply cults for those who like delivering leaflets! Where’s the ideology, the belief – the PRINCIPLES?
On your second point. Your dichotomy is slightly different. You are pointing to years of opposition versus years of government and being happy to do each. I think the SNP’s case is different though, because their core ideology (independence) has stayed the same throughout opposition and government. You can argue about their methods (whether social democracy/ gradualism is indeed the best means of achieving it) but fundamentally that hasn’t changed, which is why you can remain happy with the party – it remains true to its principles. I’m not sure you can say the same about others.
#10 by James on October 18, 2010 - 9:20 pm
I’d be curious to know what principles you think the Greens haven’t honoured. Also, not even bringing a referendum bill is a painful blow to nationalists, surely?
If this administration is turfed out, won’t there be a backlash for not even really trying on that one issue?
#11 by Malc on October 18, 2010 - 9:36 pm
James – you know my feeling on the referendum bill, and yes, I’d say that, for me, that would count as departing from principles. On the other hand, the party still have the principle, they’ve just moved the goalposts on the tactic – so technically, on my own, rather unscientific criteria, they may not fall into the same category.
As for the Greens… I genuinely don’t know the Green agenda that well (other than the obvious!) but I’d suggest you probably have some hardcore, Greenpeace direct-action types who think that the party has compromised its principles by supporting climate change policies which are less than they would like to see. You know the types I mean…
#12 by Indy on October 19, 2010 - 10:14 am
The referendum bill issue encapusulates the silly side of political principles. It’s the level of silliness that was so successfully spoofed in Life of Brian when they stood at the foot of the cross and read out a resolution they had passed condemning the crucifixion, then walked away again! No doubt they felt they were true to their principles but their action was also utterly pointless, just as pointless as it would have been to submit a referendum bill to parliament in the sure and certain knowledge that it would be defeated.
There is simply no point in having principles unless you also have a purpose.
#13 by Malc on October 19, 2010 - 10:39 am
Indy – you know I disagree, but we’ll just go round in circles if we have this debate again!
#14 by Shuna on October 19, 2010 - 12:07 pm
I am a member of the Labour party and I joined in the pre 1997 frenzy. I have never felt the need to rip up my membership card – despite there being things I have not been completetly comfortable with. (But for the record the Iraq war was not one of them – I was and am still behind Tony on that one)
I am also a minister of a church where I have differences with many of my colleagues on how I approach faith, ministry and scripture. I am on the liberal (in a purely theological way I hasten to add!!) wing of the church. Despite the sometimes huge differences I have never wanted to walk away.
It is the big picture that is important – the values that I still believe the Labour party espouse are still those it aspired to back in the day – the lessons of the realities of pure socialism versus market forces have been learned. The message of the church is still one of love – just approached in different ways but different denominations and within them different ministers.