The fight against Climate Change from a transport perspective is quite simple isn’t it? We need to wean people away from oil-driven cars, out of convenient domestic flights and into trains. Listening to transport champions and making trains greener, cleaner, faster and cheaper must surely be a top priority for a Government that is serious about realising its self-appointed title ‘greenest Government ever’. Infact, I’d say such an objective should be a bare minimum.
It is incredible therefore, genuinely incredible, that train fares are expected to rise by some 30-40% over the course of this coalition’s administration.
Taken from the Liberal Democrats’ own website, the same website that contains the line “Nuclear has a dirty legacy and increases global security risks. We oppose construction of further nuclear power stations.”, we have the following:
“Liberal Democrats believe buses and trains should be affordable and reliable so people can have a real choice about how to travel.”
The Telegraph had them down as specifically pledging to “cut commuter rail fares”.
How does increasing rail fares by a third, rail fares that were already the most expensive in Europe, make travelling by train “affordable”?
Indeed, a damning 2009 quote from current Lib Dem Transport Minister Norman Baker makes this all the more uncomfortable for the Lib Dems:
“….the government has failed train passengers for over a decade. Prices have been allowed to mount to an unacceptable level with British passengers paying the highest train fares in Europe.”
In The Guardian, the generally oafish Lord Sugar talked of the Lib Dems today in a way that I daresay a growing number of Brits agree with:
“”One thing that’s for sure, this coalition thing is an absolute joke. It’s got to be sorted out. It can’t last for long with these Lib Dems and all that. These two people, [Nick] Clegg and [Vince] Cable, in their heart of hearts never thought they would get into power, now it’s as if Leyton Orient suddenly found themselves in the Champions League. Fish out of water! Unbelievable! They don’t know what they are doing! I think Cable should … he should just give it up. They should put him in a field somewhere and give him a bit of hay.”
Nuclear power, tuition fees, rail fares and VAT rises. Nick Clegg must really love the Alternative Vote if he is willing to give up so many principles for this referendum.
Not that the buck stops only with the Lib Dems. The Conservatives are taking this country in an almost diametrically opposite direction from where it needs to move towards if the problems of climate change, inequality and social mobility are to be solved.
Many people live outside of London and other big cities and pay expensive season tickets just to travel into work each day. These increases in fares may well result in many of them deciding to move into the city to cut down on travel costs, a change to how we live that would be a hammer blow for some rural communities and would see cities bursting at the seams.
It’s the lack of joined up thinking that gets me, the myopic approach taken inside each individual Government department area that seems to ignore the whole gamut of problems that need to be addressed in their totality. Chief amongst these is climate change and if all areas of policy are inadequate then the guilty party is the man at the top, David Cameron. Zac Goldsmith must be pulling his beautifully coiffured hair out.
Vote Blue, get Green? What a joke.
#1 by James on October 16, 2010 - 7:14 pm
I was worried I was going to get typecast as our Lib-basher, so that’s good. Although you’re right about the shared responsibility – I’ve perhaps let the Tories off the hook a bit too much.
#2 by Jeff on October 16, 2010 - 9:43 pm
I’ve got your back on Lib-bashing James, don’t worry about that. Malc too I reckon.
#3 by John Ruddy on October 16, 2010 - 7:18 pm
I agree 110% Jeff. A massive increase in rail use (both passenger and rail) – including massive electrification, new lines (local, regional and high speed) etc should be a vital part of our climate change strategy. We should aim to empty the M1, the M4, the M6, the M8, as well as the domestic and short haul airport departure lounges.
We’re not going to do it with fare increases like these. A return ticket from Montrose to Edinburgh already costs £41.20. Its cheaper for me to drive into the capital, and park all day in a city centre car park. Insanity. However the train both ways when I used it on Thursday was jam packed – we need more carriages.
This is the same policy as the tuition fees, really. End Government subsidy- service users must pay. Theres too many people wanting to use the service, so we increase costs to drive down demand.
#4 by Despairing on October 16, 2010 - 7:29 pm
I heard an economist saying before the election that the economy was so fucked and the choices to be made so unpalatable, that whoever won the election would be out of power for a whole generation after their term ran out.
Who knew he was talking about the LibDems?
#5 by Paul Freeman on October 16, 2010 - 8:08 pm
The effective rise in train fares is a very important point that does need to be raised, and I’ve been thinking about transport and trains a lot myself recently. I want to hear a lot more about this and how we can use greener forms of transport better.
What a shame then, that the main reason for this post seems not be about trains or green transport (or even making Scotland better) but is an attempt to drive another nail into the coffin of the Libdems.
I’ll probably get a complete slagging off for this, but I’m not defending the LibDems, but why only mention the Tories at the end of this poor article when it is their spending review and why bring in that Labourite boor TV Celeb Sugar.
If you want people like myself to want to join the Green party, you will have to do a lot more than just be negative. I hate negativity 🙂
In fact, I’ve seen enough anti-Libdem stuff from Green twitterers in the past few weeks to put me off the Green party for life.
Come on, you can do better than this, can’t you?
#6 by Jeff on October 16, 2010 - 9:57 pm
Paul,
Not sure why you call it an “effective rise” and not just a rise. Anyway, yes, it’s negative about the Lib Dems but that’s because they are helping drive through what’s actually happening. I could spitball about a dream to do this or an idea to do that but they would remain pleasant thoughts rather than the harsh reality of what’s coming for the next 4 years.
I expect little more from the Tories but I do feel let down by the Lib Dems. If that frustration results in a venting of steam and a “poor blog post” then I make little apology for it, but I’ll take your viewpoint on board.
A positive suggestion would be to simply tax domestic flights (which are still available at a ridiculously cheap £20 at times) and use that money to subsidise trains. We should also do away with the patently ridiculous situation where you have to plan 3 months ahead for a train journey just to pick up a decent priced ticket. Why not, if you have 10 carriages with 50 seats a carriage, divide the total price of the journey by 500 and that’s your price for a ticket, whether you buy one year in advance or one minute in advance. You could have an extra complication for first class I suppose but that’s it. I honestly just don’t get it and it frustrates me immensely, particularly as, yet again, it works so easily in other countries.
Anyway, bottom line, I make no apology for being frustrated and no apology for directing most of that frustration towards the Lib Dems who should know better and the reason I know they should know better is because the correct thing to do is in their manifesto!
#7 by Jeff on October 16, 2010 - 9:59 pm
Also, my response to the classic “if you were Prime Minister for one day what would you change” question has consistently been “make rail fare cheaper” so I ordinarily might not have been quite as scathing as those poor victimised Lib Dems as I perhaps was.
#8 by Paul Freeman on October 18, 2010 - 10:06 am
Not sure where “effective” came from either 2 days later. I can see now your point of view now if you feel let down by LibDems but expected nothing else from the Tories – it just looked like everyone is laying everything at the door of Clegg and Cable and no blame towards Cameron for anything much (very clever marketing from the Tories is going on here I think)
I love trains as much as you I think. When I have to take a trip down to head office in Reading I take the train whilst others do Edinburgh – Heathrow. Door to door the difference isn’t much, and I love the journey even if the East Coast wifi is just rubbish.
I love your idea of subsidy of the trains from the tax of plane tickets. When I see adverts for trips to some sunny european resort for £29.99 – half the price of a train fare to London (if you can get the ticket in advance of course) it really really annoys me.
If you were not PM for a day but had the chance to make one change whilst backing up a Tory government, would that change be the trains still? Or would you not think it was worth it?
#9 by James on October 17, 2010 - 12:41 am
Paul, I feel like I know you from Twitter, I like you a lot, and I’m sorry if you feel personally affronted by the backlash on Twitter from Greens (and Labour folk).
I would love it if you joined, but that’s not the purpose of the blog or Twitter. Both are ways to discuss and be honest about politics. There are plenty of good people in the Lib Dems like Caron or Stephen who are appalled about what’s happening. I’d leave if I were you or them, because members get treated like fleas, annoying but basically irrelevant. If you stay, you associate yourself not just with the happy manifesto but also the serious wrongs being committed by Lib Dem Ministers, and with the glaring gap between the two.
But let’s go for a pint.
#10 by Paul Freeman on October 18, 2010 - 10:11 am
Hi James, don’t really see this blog as advocating joining the Green party, just changing peoples views about what life and politics and as such maybe, just maybe they will vote green as a consequence.
I like how the 2 green MSPs operate in Holyrood when it comes to voting on things like the Budget. They make meaningful, but small contributions. On the other hand, a lot of things the SNP want to do cannot be done as they didn’t form a coalition – but I think this now strays into a post I’ve just seen Malc make, so I’ll probably comment there.
And a pint at some point would be really good 🙂
#11 by James on October 18, 2010 - 3:51 pm
Excellent, let’s find a time. If you’re in the Holyrood area around the end of a working day then do drop me a line.
And yes, I suppose if we manage to persuade the odd person to vote green that might work for me! 😉
#12 by John Ruddy on October 16, 2010 - 8:09 pm
Despairing, it wasnt an economist, it was Mervyn King, the Governor of the Bank of England. You remember it was him who convinced Nick Clegg to change his mind on the economy. Alledgedly.
#13 by John Ruddy on October 16, 2010 - 9:25 pm
@ Paul,
I didnt think this blog was about getting people to join the green party? If it ism, I must have missed something! because they’ve got their work cut out trying to do that to me!
The point is that this was something else in the Liberal Democrat manifesto, which not only are they not implementing, they are doing the opposite. The comparison with the tuition fees is apt, because its about an ideology which says that service users should pay teh full costs of the service they use. Whether thats University tuition, or public transport. The effect of the tuition fees wont kick in until after the deficit has supopsedly been dealt with in 2015/16, and these increases will only allow TOCs to have greater profits.
#14 by Jeff on October 16, 2010 - 10:10 pm
Thanks John, fully agree with what you’re saying here and you’re right about the rationale for talking about tuition fees. It wasn’t just aimlessly having a kick for the sake of it.
And no, not trying to recruit people to the Greens with this blog; if we were, James & I would be starting with Malc…!
#15 by Despairing on October 16, 2010 - 10:01 pm
Thanks for correcting me John.
As for train fares, you’d expect me to comment. I have to sell them every day, and they can be horrendous. I see the look of horror on people’s faces, but them I’m expected to sell the full-price walk-on didn’t-plan-your-journey-very-well it’s-deliberately-over-the-top-to-catch-out-the-fare-dodgers fare.
On the other hand, we also sell a single walk-up ticket Edinburgh to Glasgow for £2, and the commuters love it.
I’ve been on the railway long enough that the Advance fares are now the same price as the Open fares were when I started. The Labour government had a policy that instead of investing, they would try and price people off the railway (then they wouldn’t have to buy new carriages). It looks like the coalition are continuing that policy.
#16 by Jeff on October 16, 2010 - 10:14 pm
I do enjoy getting the inside story on how fares work with these comments Despairing, thanks for that. The £2 walk up fare is certainly a new one on me but I’m all too aware of the increasing inflexibility with ticket sales and the shafting that takes place when people misunderstand, even slightly, the T&Cs of their ticket. I’ve said it a few times but I get paid pretty well and yet I consider myself priced out the market for a train ride up to Edinburgh if I leave it too late or there’s no deals on, and I’m reasonably certain it’s not just short-arms-long-pockets syndrome.
Someone getting twice the national average in salary shouldn’t be slumming around on Gumtree trying to nab some 2nd hand tickets. I can’t imagine how pricey fares will be in a couple of years time.
#17 by John Ruddy on October 16, 2010 - 10:22 pm
Despairing, Thats not a new policy – BR under Thatcher had to do it for most of the 80s. Ticket pricing was part of demand management.
Stick an extra coach on the Class 170s- ON thursday the 16.30 Edinburgh-Inverurie was standing room only as far as Arbroath. Ridiculous.
Sorry, rant over.
#18 by Daniel J on October 17, 2010 - 2:11 pm
As a student living in Aberdeen I know all too well the varying costs of the trains. For instance last February after the snow I had to buy a £40 one-way ticket to Edinburgh because the East Coast hadn’t made it past Edinburgh and ScotRail wouldn’t accept the ticket. (suffice to say I never received my mythical refund from EC.)
I much prefer trains to buses and am willing to pay a little more for that. l 40% increases over the term of parliament will result in a very noticeable rise even for me let alone commuters in relatively low paid work.
Perhaps we should be happy that high-speed rail won’t make it up to Scotland, at least this way we can’t complain about premium fares for that!
#19 by Holyrood Patter on October 18, 2010 - 3:44 pm
how dare lord sugar talk down my beloved orient? i am with daniel aswell, transport that doesnt work in adverse weather means rail pretty much owes people money who have bought season tickets (more for convenience, you save very little) a day extra, which ios very difficult to track down. A lot of people from my town get the commuter train from glasgow to greenock and at peak times its extraordinarily expensive.
Charging people 9 quid as opposed to six at 8am my make economic sense, but as a service designed to help the public and the environment, its fairly loose, morally speaking.
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